STX Rules and Setup Questions

[cjd]

Originally Posted by jbailey8748

Got it installed. There is plenty of adjustment in it to get you where you are comfortable. It weighs 11pounds with all the screws. You'll need 4 m8x25mm bolts amd washers for the seat and a 7/16 bolt, washers and nut about an inch long for the seatbelt. It comes with new frame bolts.

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Curious about why you chose this over the buddy club. Good to have options though.

[e1_griego]

What seat did you use? I couldn't really get either Buddy Club or PCI bracket to work with my Sparco Evo II. I think the wider seats like that just require a custom fabbed bracket.

[CoolHandMoss]

So I'm seeing both options advocated in different threads and I'm wondering if there is a consensus among STX racers on this matter...

Pedal dance or button press for racing? I'm new to racing the twin and so far my limited experiments have indicated that the long button press allows me to drive well beyond the fast angle of slip without detecting any electronic assist and also that the brake bias seems to be much better with the pedal dance. I supposed the preference is a matter of if one's braking techniques tend to trigger ice mode? If not then go pedal dance but if so then go long press?

[Twinz]

The long press method still leaves the electronic diff-assist active, but it almost never intervened when I ran in CS trim last year. (Twice over the course of the whole season IIRC) The long press method leaves EBD active which suits me well.

The Pedal Dance apparently kills the diff assist *and* EBD.

[CoolHandMoss]

Oh okay. I had been under the impression that the long press left traction and stability control functional to a minimal extent. That's good to know.

[justinco]

It's also different for 2017 cars (button functions). All I use on my 2017 is the button press (mode 4). I used pedal dance on my 2013 FRS.

[chickunfut]

Originally Posted by e1_griego

What seat did you use? I couldn't really get either Buddy Club or PCI bracket to work with my Sparco Evo II. I think the wider seats like that just require a custom fabbed bracket.

GSpeed makes a seat mount specifically designed for the 86.

https://gspeed.com/product/brzfr-s86...ro-seat-mount/

I believe there’s also a thread where they used the evo II with this mount.

[cjd]

Originally Posted by CoolHandMoss

So I'm seeing both options advocated in different threads and I'm wondering if there is a consensus among STX racers on this matter...

Pedal dance or button press for racing? I'm new to racing the twin and so far my limited experiments have indicated that the long button press allows me to drive well beyond the fast angle of slip without detecting any electronic assist and also that the brake bias seems to be much better with the pedal dance. I supposed the preference is a matter of if one's braking techniques tend to trigger ice mode? If not then go pedal dance but if so then go long press?

Try both. I was never able to drive right for PD, terrible ice mode issues. I expect there to be even fewer reasons for me to try now that I'm in a '17.

[e1_griego]

Originally Posted by chickunfut

GSpeed makes a seat mount specifically designed for the 86.

https://gspeed.com/product/brzfr-s86...ro-seat-mount/

I believe there’s also a thread where they used the evo II with this mount.

Yeah I just got tired of spending money on it lol. The stock seats are pretty good, and I also like being able to trade cars with people here and there which means a one-position seat makes that less viable.

I may buy another seat to try it out, but for now I replaced the old Evo 2 in one of my other cars.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by CoolHandMoss

So I'm seeing both options advocated in different threads and I'm wondering if there is a consensus among STX racers on this matter...

Pedal dance or button press for racing? I'm new to racing the twin and so far my limited experiments have indicated that the long button press allows me to drive well beyond the fast angle of slip without detecting any electronic assist and also that the brake bias seems to be much better with the pedal dance. I supposed the preference is a matter of if one's braking techniques tend to trigger ice mode? If not then go pedal dance but if so then go long press?

Nothing to do but experiment.
I used it for awhile but stopped, as mentioned it disables multi-channel abs so if you tap the brakes mid-corner to settle the car with pedal dance active it won't be nearly as effective as doing the same with the long-press, the long press will also give you better stopping power when trail braking while pedal dance mode will release brake pressure due to an unloaded wheel. The flipside is with the pedal dance it's super easy to put weight on the front of the car and get rotation under braking, if you're struggling to get the car to rotate on corner entry (and you've already tried maxed out front camber) it might be a useful tool. Maybe if you've got equal spring rates front and rear it'll help there.

If you're getting ice mode with pedal dance adjust your braking, you don't need to be so abrupt on the pedal, it can be driven around and you can brake just as hard in a straight line as without pedal dance. I went back because I felt that the only advantage was corner entry rotation while losing how effective the brakes can be in adverse conditions (poor grip, too late on the brakes, or mid-corner) and after testing the long press again I realized I was happy with corner entry without the pedal dance. It'll be mostly a driver confidence/preference thing imho.

[CoolHandMoss]

Thanks for the responses on this. The Dixie tour in March will be my first event in the car and I'm thinking I'll just go with the long press without having had much opportunity to test out the differences for myself.

[jbailey8748]

Originally Posted by cjd

Curious about why you chose this over the buddy club. Good to have options though.

I couldn't find a reliable weight anywhere. And mixed reviews about buddy clubs durability.


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[jbailey8748]

Originally Posted by e1_griego

What seat did you use? I couldn't really get either Buddy Club or PCI bracket to work with my Sparco Evo II. I think the wider seats like that just require a custom fabbed bracket.

I've got a sparco Evo2. Fits perfectly

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[jbailey8748]

Originally Posted by CoolHandMoss

So I'm seeing both options advocated in different threads and I'm wondering if there is a consensus among STX racers on this matter...

Pedal dance or button press for racing? I'm new to racing the twin and so far my limited experiments have indicated that the long button press allows me to drive well beyond the fast angle of slip without detecting any electronic assist and also that the brake bias seems to be much better with the pedal dance. I supposed the preference is a matter of if one's braking techniques tend to trigger ice mode? If not then go pedal dance but if so then go long press?

The button press only will cause you to spin if you get a bit too sideways, pedal dance let's you control the car a bit more so you can drive it out of the spin.

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