Why is the SBD kit so well priced?

[mrk1]

There are plausible series of events that could have happened but I bet contracts will never let the truth come out. In today's world of outsourced production its not a reach.

Company "A" could have contracted a manufacture to produce there kit with a contract saying only Company "A" can badge and sell the kit. After that contract runs out the manufacture could be free to sell the kit to whoever, Company "A" would receive a financial benefit for allowing this, probably lower cost on there kits. This would leave the door open for Companies B,C,and D to purchase the rights to sell the kit under there name in a given market. These secondary companies can also make slight changes, color or parts or request lower grade materials be used.

This process is very similar to generic drugs that become available after the patent runs out with the original name brand.

You can switch over to the GTR forums and see these same questions asked with the SBD/Zage and HKS turbo kits.

And even with the chain of events I outlined there still are plenty of places that don't have a care in the world about copyrights or patents, you pay they will make it.

[mrk1]

That all being said here was Greddy's response when asked, this is a direct copy/paste of there words posted to this forum a while ago.

"We have been getting calls and emails regrading our GReddy Turbo kit vs Speed by Design Turbo kit so we would like to clarify this once and for all.

First of all, GReddy Performance Products, Inc and our parent company Trust co. Ltd in Japan has no business relationship with Speed by Design or their turbo kit supplier Zage Turbo in Taiwan. In the post made by Speed by Design promoting their kit for the FR-S, people are confused on who manufactures our kit and why ZAGE/SBD kit are so similar in design with our kit. The kit Zage and SBD are selling is a direct copy of our product except for the airfilter and BOV. ZAGE pretty much took our kit and copied everything down to manifold, intercooler layout even to cast piping, brackets and heat shields. If you look at our kit and compare them to kit from Zage/SBD, you will see that they are identical.

We use genuine GReddy Turbo custom made by Mitsubishi Heavy Industry Turbocharger in Japan to our spec, we invest many hours testing for the ideal turbo spec, manifold design, intercooler and piping layout. Also invested in all the tooling and molds for all the components included in our kit. While testing these kit we have also designed other necessary components such as the oil cooler kit which is a must for this application. Knockoff companies are not capable of this.

Companies such as Zage without any R&D to develop their own products, simply takes other companies products and mass produce them in China and Taiwan where it is much cheaper to produce and offer these products back in to the market profiting off other companies hard work.

If you look at other forced induction kits in the market for FR-S/BRZ you will see many different layout and setups made by each designers, fabricators and tuners. GReddy Kit is our original kit designed and developed by our own R&D team and manufactured by Trust Co. Ltd. in Japan. and if there are identical products our there it is not a coincidence.

We have visited Zage in Taiwan and confronted them about the kit they are producing and all they could do was make up excuses and was desperately trying to earn our business so they can make the claim they supply to us as well. We were not going to let that happen. Instead we teamed up with Garrett this year to add another high quality products to our product line up. We are in the process of developing new kits as we speak. No China or Taiwan knock off turbochargers will be used in our GReddy kits!

So to answer many question we get from this FT86Club community and other FR-S and BRZ clubs, GReddy Turbo kit for the FR-S/BRZ is not from the same supplier as Speed by Design and what Zage and its distributors are selling is a complete knockoff product of GReddy. (expect for the air filter, BOV and other minor features).

We hope Ft86Club and its members respect our efforts and hard work to deliver quality products to this community and let us tell the truth regards these knockoff products such as what is being sold by Zage and its distributors.

We recommend everyone in this forum that before you spend your hard earned money, do the research and make sure you fully are aware of what you are buying and what kind of companies you are supporting.

This industry is full of knockoffs and many companies has been effected over the years. These knock off companies and the distributors who has supported them are preventing legit companies from creating innovative products and leaving the industry. While general public prefers more affordable products, we understand that, but there will be no creative and innovative company left even for these knockoff companies to copy. If you can't afford quality products, you can't afford it but we will continue to do our best to offer quality products at affordable price.

We always welcome feedback from consumers and will continue to work with you to do our best to meet your needs. "

[Jyn]

Originally Posted by mrk1

You can switch over to the GTR forums and see these same questions asked with the SBD/Zage and HKS turbo kits.

FFR: http://www.gtrheritage.com/topic/273...z-fr-s-copies/

[zc06_kisstherain]

SBD should've post like "Greddy A style Turbo Kit"

[chaoskaze]

Originally Posted by go_a_way1

lets get the ball rolling lol!!

Dude!

[Flat_4_Life]

Originally Posted by nickmerronesucks

Well For what its worth. some of my parts say greddy still and others are grinded flat right where the greddy logo is. So im gonna say the kits are either, Greddy kits that don't meet greddy standards and sent back, or greddy buys them from alibaba just like SBD does.

Where the hell did you get that from?

[PandaSPUR]

Originally Posted by Flat_4_Life

Where the hell did you get that from?

I believe it. SBD could be hiring the same factories to create the same parts for them. Its known as "ghost shift" or "third shift" products: http://archive.fortune.com/magazines...5455/index.htm

[mrk1]

Originally Posted by nickmerronesucks

Jesus act like you havent bought crisp rice before...instead of rice

There is a difference when your buying something nessecary like food vs a complete novelty purchase. You need food every week, there is no reason you can't wait a few more pay check cycles to buy the name brand.

[wise345]

Originally Posted by PandaSPUR

Yea and people run around with fake handbags, watches, etc. The fake handbag still holds stuff and the fake watch still tells time. I wouldn't buy any of that stuff though.

Considered them for a turbo&trans upgrade for my old GTR, idk if it was GReddy stuff but I will heavily vouch for their excellent customer support and I haven't heard of anyone having issues with their GTR stuff so that makes me a little confident at least in stuff for the twins...

[nickmerronesucks]

Alot of companys purchase from aliexpress/alibaba and sell crap..cough cough isis performance

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[killboy]

Originally Posted by mrk1

There is a difference when your buying something nessecary like food vs a complete novelty purchase. You need food every week, there is no reason you can't wait a few more pay check cycles to buy the name brand.

I'm pretty sure when they were teaching us about "Wants vs. Needs" in grade school, Boost was right up there with Food, Shelter, and Clothing. I could be wrong though...that was a long time ago.

[wise345]

I think I'm more leaning towards PTuning or a real GReddy now though...

[Who8myrice]

Off topic but co founder of alibaba is one of richest person in Asia. He just bought hundreds of acres in USA. To preserve wild life and hopefully one day retire there. Seems like nice guy.

[nickmerronesucks]

Wow what a nice guy lol

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