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Old 02-15-2012, 10:26 AM   #99
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This is 100 % true and for fact the 911 and the Cayman are the best handling cars, and the Boxer engines are the reason for that. Boxer engines have ONLY advantages if not to talk about cost, because the car has to be built around the engine and the engine itself is more expensive. If the GT86 had a true mid-front 2.5l H4 with dry sump making 300 PS it would be the best car, but it would maybe cost 50.000 € and you as many other would not buy it. Prove me you are right.
Oh really? I guess the Lotus Elise, Ferrari 458 Italia, LFA,S2K,RX8 and even a MX5 aren't some of the best? I remember seeing a best handling test that ruled the 458 Italia over all the Porsche's you mentioned. Fact is the majority of great handling cars aren't BOXER engines.

I don't even think the FR-S will out handle the MX5 and that car has a inline 4.
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Old 02-15-2012, 10:51 AM   #100
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Oh really? I guess the Lotus Elise, Ferrari 458 Italia, LFA,S2K,RX8 and even a MX5 aren't some of the best? I remember seeing a best handling test that ruled the 458 Italia over all the Porsche's you mentioned. Fact is the majority of great handling cars aren't BOXER engines.

I don't even think the FR-S will out handle the MX5 and that car has a inline 4.
you do realize when you say that, those better handling cars are WAYYY above a lot of our price ranges...

this is the best handling car you are going to get for 25K, hands down... ive driven a miata, love the way it drives but i have kids, and i do believe the FR-S will preform better, i personally want a wide body kit, coilovers, and 10' wide tires, HANDLE LIKE A BEAST!!!!
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Old 02-15-2012, 11:23 AM   #101
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you do realize when you say that, those better handling cars are WAYYY above a lot of our price ranges...

this is the best handling car you are going to get for 25K, hands down... ive driven a miata, love the way it drives but i have kids, and i do believe the FR-S will preform better, i personally want a wide body kit, coilovers, and 10' wide tires, HANDLE LIKE A BEAST!!!!
Yay for more teen parents.
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Old 02-15-2012, 12:14 PM   #102
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you do realize when you say that, those better handling cars are WAYYY above a lot of our price ranges...

this is the best handling car you are going to get for 25K, hands down... ive driven a miata, love the way it drives but i have kids, and i do believe the FR-S will preform better, i personally want a wide body kit, coilovers, and 10' wide tires, HANDLE LIKE A BEAST!!!!
You missed the point. Great handling isn't boxer engine dependent. I could name other cheaply priced sporting vehicles if you'd like me too. The ITR didn't have a boxer, the last generation MR-S didn't have a boxer engine either. I think you guys are caught up in the hype and need to come back to reality.

What makes you think this car will out handle the Miata. It's lighter,tidier and better balanced.

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Old 02-15-2012, 12:21 PM   #103
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you do realize when you say that, those better handling cars are WAYYY above a lot of our price ranges...

this is the best handling car you are going to get for 25K, hands down... ive driven a miata, love the way it drives but i have kids, and i do believe the FR-S will preform better, i personally want a wide body kit, coilovers, and 10' wide tires, HANDLE LIKE A BEAST!!!!
So are porsches.
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Wow glad I stayed away from the subaru kool-aid. Boxer engines apparently are the best engines ever which is why only 2 manufacturers use them, and even with the mighty and superior boxer motor the sti loses to the evo everytime .
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Wow glad I stayed away from the subaru kool-aid. Boxer engines apparently are the best engines ever which is why only 2 manufacturers use them, and even with the mighty and superior boxer motor the sti loses to the evo everytime .

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You missed the point. Great handling isn't boxer engine dependent. I could name other cheaply priced sporting vehicles if you'd like me too. The ITR didn't have a boxer, the last generation MR-S didn't have a boxer engine either. I think you guys are caught up in the hype and need to come back to reality.

What makes you think this car will out handle the Miata. It's lighter,tidier and better balanced.
i never said it was better because it was a boxer

this car has a lot of potential, if its already got plenty of grip with low resistance tires, im just imagining with r-comps how well it will stick to the ground...

my celica isnt a boxer either but it handles really well, love the way it handles even on its worn out shocks and springs...

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Yay for more teen parents.
Your point is? im 20 and doing pretty well for myself, work 10-6 monday through friday and make a decent living...
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Old 02-16-2012, 02:38 PM   #109
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I'll be waiting for at least 3 years for 3 reasons.
1) It will take me 2 more years to finish paying off my Tacoma.
2) Give them time to work out the kinks
3) I want the SC or turbo model and won't consider buying one until that's an option.
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Actually I'm curious to those that mentioned about first year kinks. Can anyone provide an example? I haven't been able to easily find notable examples of first year production problems, especially in recent cars.

I understand that every year, there should be new fixes and patches upon the car. However, that doesn't necessarily mean that the new patches/fixes don't introduce another problem :/
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Actually I'm curious to those that mentioned about first year kinks. Can anyone provide an example? I haven't been able to easily find notable examples of first year production problems, especially in recent cars.

I understand that every year, there should be new fixes and patches upon the car. However, that doesn't necessarily mean that the new patches/fixes don't introduce another problem :/
there have been many out there. Off the top of my head I can think of the e9x 335i engine and its oil cooling problems. Before that the e46 m3 had engine problems. I know my msp protege has had dozens of technical service bulletins to address various items. One of which was an ecu flash to fix hesitation during rapid acceleration and there have been at least 3 rear sway bar bushing designs to address the problem of them wearing out every 7500 miles.

there are always more problems with first year vehicles. Usually they aren't critical flaws but going in for recalls all the time is a pain. Also depending on the problem you may end up paying to fix it yourself before a recall is issued.
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there have been many out there. Off the top of my head I can think of the e9x 335i engine and its oil cooling problems. Before that the e46 m3 had engine problems. I know my msp protege has had dozens of technical service bulletins to address various items. One of which was an ecu flash to fix hesitation during rapid acceleration and there have been at least 3 rear sway bar bushing designs to address the problem of them wearing out every 7500 miles.

there are always more problems with first year vehicles. Usually they aren't critical flaws but going in for recalls all the time is a pain. Also depending on the problem you may end up paying to fix it yourself before a recall is issued.
Hmm I see, though it seems to be more of a BMW issue coming out from your memory. I'm looking around Subaru's history and it was the head gasket?

And referring to the recall, would you receive a refund or anything if a recall is issued after you had the problem fixed? Or SOL?
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