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Supra gets my vote! | 367 | 74.59% | |
I don't know, but its time for a new name. | 125 | 25.41% | |
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07-30-2018, 10:46 PM | #3361 | |
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If I had to make the corporate decision, I'd only put a DCT auto option in the 6 cyl without a manual as the price will be higher and the purchaser wouldn't want a stripped down street car. The 4 cyl is a different animal. If the price difference is there, I'd put a MT in the base model with an auto upgrade of the Z4. I still think the Supra chassis will be the basis for the next FT86 which will be a turbo 4. That will also have an auto option. That checks all of the boxes and makes the production efficient and profitable. That's how I read what's found in the sum total of the "rags". And yes, it is pure, unadulterated, supposition. It will be fun to see how close I get at the beginning of next year when we get the actual information. And I'm sure you're very glad I'm not making the corporate decision.... |
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Like it has been said, autos use to be more expensive, so they were an extra add on cost. I’m fine paying extra for a manual if the tables were turned.
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As for the statement they're just as fast that's not entirely true, the ZF 8HP that's present in the new supra is about as fast as the old M3 SMG box, vanquish, ferrari and the like at 200-250ms. the current gen dual clutches are way faster, not that we'd notice that
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The facelift 86/BRZ already contradicted a lot of the initial design points of the first car from just sitting inside the cockpit. Also if you look at the LFA design video on YouTube, the aluminum frame prototype was a stick shift before they switched to CFRP and subsequently the single clutch automatic. This time around it's built by BMW passion, but with Toyota committee. |
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this is so reassuring to hear. Last edited by SuperDave; 07-31-2018 at 04:10 AM. |
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If you break it down to the R&D, materials, and assembly cost automatics are still more expensive. Manuals are simpler. You can't overcome that. Only when you factor economies of scale and which transmission the car is built around do manuals lose the advantage.
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And then there is trying to predict sales. Manuals on crossovers are almost non-existant now, but were only on base models for a long time or still are, suggesting they assumed it was the frugale shopper who wanted a manual. If demand is low then which cars to build as manuals? Only black and white cars because those sell the most? Only in lower trims because those sell the most? It becomes a cycle of self defeating behavior, where the lack of options further drives down demand. Hence the need for a premium cost for a manual or a built from factory option.
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So people here are saying its incorrect information being published that the 2019 Toyota Supra will use the B58B30 engine from BMW?
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New Supra 4 cyl to replace the 86?
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That's partly because most OEMs use a conservative tune in the automatics for comfort's sake. The ZF 6HP in my E90 335i has an aggressive tune on it, and it shifts in 140ms according to testing done by the tuner, which is extremely close to BMW's DCT box in the E90 M3 (130ms IIRC). Curious to see how far BMW/Toyota are willing to dial it up. |
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sure the twins have changed a little bit but the overall theme is the same...a few steering wheel buttons & little LCD helper screen is nothing and probably helped Toyota snag a few extra 86 fans since for every person who dislikes steering wheel buttons there's always one that wants them...and remember, they decided to pour more money only for the MT twins when that probably was quite unnecessary. As far as the LFA, 6 figure cars should never be compared to cars for mere mortals ^^ |
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OK let's just put this out there.
Same event. Same topic. One author is a reliable, known associate of Tada who makes his living building cars and writes more as a hobby. One author is an editor for an internet rag that makes their money based on clicks. Which do people want to believe? Moto quotes Tada - "We may also offer inline 4 variant for select markets where costs of a larger engine can be prohibitive in ownership or registration costs. That has yet to be determined, but we left some room for tuners and aftermarket on these engines, and it should be an interesting engine in that respect too." Road and Track wrote - Road & Track web editor Chris Perkins had the chance to speak with Supra chief engineer Testsuya Tada at the Goodwood Festival of Speed a few days ago, and the Toyota employee confirmed that there will indeed be a four-cylinder Supra. Tada also remarked that, for the Supra owners who plan to swap in a 2JZ engine, "please buy the four-cylinder. It will be cheaper."
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