FT-86 SpeedFactory Catted UEL Header

[Tenchi]

Originally Posted by Tylub

here you go

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[Trettiosjuan]

Originally Posted by tahdizzle

I am not speaking about build quality...

Air flow and harmonics are affected. So is it reasonable to say the dyno graph has changed since the new design?

Build quality is for Audi. For me quality is consistency in product performance which includes air flow and harmonics. As geometry and bends are identical, air flow can only be affected by pipe joint execution.

I don't believe the dyno graph has changed more than the variance that would have existed within the original batch. In the engineering world, everything varies, the question is if the variation is relevant.
I don't think so, other mods after the headers should affect the graph much more than a few weld seams ever can...

[STV3]

Originally Posted by Tenchi

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[tahdizzle]

Originally Posted by Trettiosjuan

Build quality is for Audi. For me quality is consistency in product performance which includes air flow and harmonics. As geometry and bends are identical, air flow can only be affected by pipe joint execution.

I don't believe the dyno graph has changed more than the variance that would have existed within the original batch. In the engineering world, everything varies, the question is if the variation is relevant.
I don't think so, other mods after the headers should affect the graph much more than a few weld seams ever can...

All of this is speculation until there is a new dyno. Wich I'll have to spend $$ to do. Which defeats the purpose of my purchase of this particular header to begin with.

[DarkestBuddha]

[FT-86 SpeedFactory]

The weld did not break, the metal broke on the outside of it which is something that is out of our control as metal is not uniform in strength usually. It's under warranty and will be covered. Already working on the email Tylub sent in.

[FT-86 SpeedFactory]

Originally Posted by tahdizzle

So you agree that the flow can be different? and you are assuming that it is an improvement.

The entire reason I chose an ft86 UEL header was ability to remove the torque dip w/o a tune.

That being said. There has not been any data showing information on the new headers; from FT86 or a 3rd party.

I did give them the benefit of the doubt, but after installing the header I am not convinced it has the same graph.

That being said. when I originally purchased the header, I did so based on the information given.


When a retailer shows you data on a product and you purchase the product based on that data. Then the seller changes the product and assures you that its the same product w/o any data to reinforce their claims. It is due diligence to be skeptical.

I don't have the blind faith you have.

Please send the header back for a full refund. I'll even supply an UPS label for you. Shoot me an order number and I will make it happen.

Or we can always just cut it in a few spots, add some more welds if you would like and send it back. Totally your call.

We created a header that no one else would. We provided the data on a stock car with no other parts and no tune. We then had independent dynos done by clients to prove the gain. We did all this which no other MFG has done and time and time again we have to keep proving ourselves while others get away with it. The muti-weld unit was 3D scanned, and then used to create bends that reduced weld time, and created less turbulence in the flow since each weld is technically not smooth on the inside, therefor a better product.

We're a small company in Iowa, doing our absolute best to make quality parts, and make sure everyone is happy. We're not here to give false claims or screw around, this is our lively hood.

[vroom4]

Its in the heat effected zone of the weld,the failure is a direct result of the weld and design of the header. Or at least it would be in normal product design? But in small batches of engineered products, theory is kind of out the window, its more just failure rate which proves the design of the product.

[tahdizzle]

I'll spend the $$ and supply information to customers. Thanks for the offer though.

[Tylub]

Thanks for the quick response @FT-86 SpeedFactory sending it in today

[Trettiosjuan]

Originally Posted by tahdizzle

I'll spend the $$ and supply information to customers. Thanks for the offer though.

So you are still experiencing a dip then? Can you provide more information? Is your doubt reasonable?

Until then, I can only comment that automotive products change all the time during their production life without informing the customer. If a company is open with this, it is not helpfull if customers start questioning every decision and spread discontent based on, yes, speculation based on their own interpretations.

I for one am happy with the openness of the manufacturer so far. Cherish that and give benefit of the doubt that they know what service and product they provide. And how to make it...

[tahdizzle]

Originally Posted by Trettiosjuan

So you are still experiencing a dip then? Can you provide more information? Is your doubt reasonable?

Until then, I can only comment that automotive products change all the time during their production life without informing the customer. If a company is open with this, it is not helpfull if customers start questioning every decision and spread discontent based on, yes, speculation based on their own interpretations.

I for one am happy with the openness of the manufacturer so far. Cherish that and give benefit of the doubt that they know what service and product they provide. And how to make it...

.... really? Have I not been saying I need to take it to the dyno, and that there has not been a Dyno of the new header design provided by ft86sf?

Once I have time to get it on a dyno, I'll be sure to provide you all with the graphs.

[Trettiosjuan]

Originally Posted by tahdizzle

.... really? Have I not been saying I need to take it to the dyno, and that there has not been a Dyno of the new header design provided by ft86sf?

Once I have time to get it on a dyno, I'll be sure to provide you all with the graphs.

Yes you keep repeating yourself, talking about "new design" but that is your interpretation, ok? And no anecdotal evidence either from the butt dyno, just others that need to prove themselves because you say so?!?
No, you provide graphs and document it all, who knows perhaps there actually is a problem we as customers *should* actually worry about... But until then I intend not to lose any sleep on this.

[tahdizzle]

Hey, if you can feel it then its obviously measurable.

Local shop, $60 for 3 runs. Once I find time I'll do the runs and post graphs.
Hopefully its in my head, however, it needs to be tested.