Brake Upgrade, Advice needed!

[DarkSunrise]

For street use on max performance summer tires, I really liked the following setup:

- Pads: Stoptech street performance
- Fluid: ATE Type 200
- Rotors: stock

Nice firm pedal. Pretty good bite. Minimal dusting. Very little squeal, if any.

Definitely enough for backroad and canyons, and even some light track use. I think it's a great value for the price honestly.

[finch1750]

Originally Posted by wparsons

For pads on pure street car, I'd go with a Carbotech AX6, Winmax W2, Project mU HC800+ or Ferodo DS2500. They're all better than stock, but not noisy like a full track pad.

Fluid, anything is better than stock really. Castrol SRF is really nice, but it's hugely overkill for a street car and it's really expensive ($90 cdn/liter compared to like $30 cdn/liter for other fluids). If you're not boiling lower temp fluid, then you don't *need* something super high temp like SRF.

Project Mu HC+800 are not what he wants. While awesome pads the squel and dust like crazy. They are more comparable to a Winmax W4 or Carbotech XP8 then the other you listed

[UNREAL]

Originally Posted by fumanchu1

First I agree tires and pads are the first thing you should do. That being said, the logic behind doing only the front brakes it physics. (look at the rear brakes and they are quite large and actually do their job well).

But anyways when you apply the brakes the momentum and weight of the car shift forward. This means there is a much greater force/traction put on the front tires during medium/hard braking. Meaning the front tires and brakes actually do a whole lot more work in stopping your car than the rear do. (all the weight is in the front and the momentum applies even more pressure to the front when braking so it is only logical that the load is far superior on the front brakes and they therefore benefit the most from bigger/better brakes).

Also from a physics standpoint, a stronger braking force in the front should (on paper) induce a bit of oversteer (in certain situations) and I assume that if you bought this car then you must love oversteer like I do

My post may not be 100% accurate as my (college level) physics studies are very far away and my mechanical knowledge/know-how is average/decent at best.

I respect physics people My dad has a PhD. in Physics
I like how did you explain the importance of the Front brake specially in front engine cars...
But for now I think I'll stick with the plan adv ised by the majority of you guys, Sticky Tires + Streets Performance Pads + Better Fluid

Many thanks for your reply and contribution.

Originally Posted by go_a_way1

Few responds in bold

Noted With many thanks

Originally Posted by ryoma

I have the Winmax W5 pads and Torque RT700 fluid. I am on the stock brake rotors and I track my car. the W5 pads are more of a track pad and are kind of noisy when you use partial brake pressure on the street. though, that problem might be with me not fully bedding in the brakes on the street due to my laziness lol. however, I work them good on my first session on track days to make sure they are bedded in. I have not experienced any brake fade at all, actually, with my stock rotors and upgraded pads, lines, and fluid under track driving.

for street driving and spirited use, I would say the Winmax W2 or W3 are good solutions. I am recommending Winmax since they are the only aftermarket pad I have used so far, but other people might recommend a different brand. I don't have any experience with other brands so I cannot recommend any aside from Winmax. as for fluid, either RBF600 or the RT700 are good. I have used RBF600 on my previous car, but not my BRZ, but to be honest, I cannot see any noticeable difference between the two. the RT700 has a higher boiling point than the RBF600 so on paper it is better, but in the real world (and especially on the street), I cannot find a difference.

Many thanks for the elaborated advice, notes taken into consideration.

Originally Posted by churchx

Unreal: for mostly street i'd probably would go for Ferrordo DS2500 pads
Fumanchu1: rears are as large because they need to fit around parking brake, not because they need that size for effective braking.

Thanks for your reply and advice

Originally Posted by finch1750

For DD Wibmax W2 will be an upgrade without the squel of a W3 or comparable pad with a slight increase over oem. Motul RBF600 should be sufficient for fluid. OEM rotors are totally fine for spirited driving. SS lines help with feel slightly but not improve stopping power or anything.

I like Project Mu also so maybe their Bforce pads but I have no experiance and havent seen any reviews on them

Thanks for your reply and products recommendations
I'll look up the Wibmax W2

Originally Posted by wparsons

For pads on pure street car, I'd go with a Carbotech AX6, Winmax W2, Project mU HC800+ or Ferodo DS2500. They're all better than stock, but not noisy like a full track pad.

Fluid, anything is better than stock really. Castrol SRF is really nice, but it's hugely overkill for a street car and it's really expensive ($90 cdn/liter compared to like $30 cdn/liter for other fluids). If you're not boiling lower temp fluid, then you don't *need* something super high temp like SRF.

Thanks for participating in my thread, and for the detailed recommendation. for the fluid I'll consider Castrol, I respect that brand.

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

For street use on max performance summer tires, I really liked the following setup:

- Pads: Stoptech street performance
- Fluid: ATE Type 200
- Rotors: stock

Nice firm pedal. Pretty good bite. Minimal dusting. Very little squeal, if any.

Definitely enough for backroad and canyons, and even some light track use. I think it's a great value for the price honestly.

I love your organized advice and recommendation

I'll most likely go with:

1- Tires: Goodyear Max Summer Tires
2- Pads: Stoptech street performance
3- Fluid: Castrol SRF

Originally Posted by finch1750

Project Mu HC+800 are not what he wants. While awesome pads the squel and dust like crazy. They are more comparable to a Winmax W4 or Carbotech XP8 then the other you listed

Thanks for the valuable feedback, I definitely don't want a dusty/squeaky pads





Appreciate all your kind feedback, I think more or less my question is answered, and I have a clear upgrade plan, many thanks to everyone who took the time to share their knowledge and experience

[go_a_way1]

Anytime

[finch1750]

Originally Posted by UNREAL

Thanks for your reply and products recommendations
I'll look up the Wibmax W2

orry, I'm sure you'd figure(d) it out but that's supposed to be Winmax

Damn typos lol

[solidONE]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

For street use on max performance summer tires, I really liked the following setup:

- Pads: Stoptech street performance
- Fluid: ATE Type 200
- Rotors: stock

Nice firm pedal. Pretty good bite. Minimal dusting. Very little squeal, if any.

Definitely enough for backroad and canyons, and even some light track use. I think it's a great value for the price honestly.

I'd second the Stoptech pads for street use. Slightly dustier than stock, more stopping power than stock, no noise, and a very good value. I've heard very good things about Winmax W2 for street use as well, but Stoptech price is hard to beat.

[JRitt]

UNREAL,
Have you read my brake upgrade guide? It goes into a lot of the why's behind others' recommendations in this thread.

[UNREAL]

Originally Posted by JRitt

UNREAL,
Have you read my brake upgrade guide? It goes into a lot of the why's behind others' recommendations in this thread.

I just saw your reply now, went to your post, and Wow, very informative and well organized post...

Many thanks for your help

[sprintamx]

I'm late to the game, again . . .

If you haven't already started purchasing your braking "upgrades", consider this:

Higher temp capacity brake fluid will NOT improve typical street braking, even when we're talking about hooliganism. If you need more heat capacity because you have been boiling fluid in your braking situations, then, sure, replace the fluid with something "better." But, unless you have experienced marked brake fade (soft pedal, pedal goes to the floor under heavy braking) it's unlikely that you have boiled your fluid. If my thinking about your particular needs is correct here, then you don't NEED to replace the fluid. Also, replacing your brake lines will not improve braking under street conditions.

Having said all of that, I do highly recommend bleeding the brakes to maximize function and firmness, and that can certainly suggest simply flushing the system with new stock (or any DOT 3/4) fluid to start fresh, and ensure maximum fluid capabilities by eliminating air / dirt in the system. If you just bleed, any decent DOT spec fluid will do (heck, I like Ford Motorcraft fluid for such an application). If you want to flush the whole system and start fresh, there's no problem with staying with a stock/street fluid if you haven't boiled your fluid. But, if you want to, by all means upgrade to something with higher heat capacity.

SRF and Torque are $$$, but they work great under extreme conditions. Motul RBF is also an excellent fluid, albeit with a lower boiling point (it's also 1/2 the price of the other two). I've raced with all of the fluids, and they all work great.

I'm a personal fan of the Ferodo DS2500 for this application, and I even enjoy them on the track (lapping days, NOT racing). Other pads mentioned are good choices too.

Check out Michelin PSS as a tire option. Since I don't think you're worrying about heat cycling and vulcanizing from track or autocross duty, I think the Michelin is an excellent high grip street choice. Other choices mentioned will work fine also, and pricing may be a factor where you live. Also, if your braking difficulties are related to a lot of sand or grit on the roads, no high performance street tire will be a magic solution to that issue, but they'll help.

Finally, if you'd like to swap out rotors (just because, or its time to replace anyway), take note that Centric makes some nice "performance" options in the stock sizes with slotted and high-carbon options; all available around $50.00 per rotor (in the US at least).

Hope all of this helps.

[fumanchu1]

Originally Posted by churchx

Unreal: for mostly street i'd probably would go for Ferrordo DS2500 pads
Fumanchu1: rears are as large because they need to fit around parking brake, not because they need that size for effective braking.

Good to know and makes a lot of sense. The physics aspect of braking still stands though, bigger brakes in front are more beneficial due to the momentum/weight being all up front during braking.