Engine failure - 38,000 miles

[Mr 286]

Yeah well that doesn't help those of us on/near the west coast. Besides, I'm still skeptical about the "detonation clause" especially here in Vegas where the temps can get very high in the summer.


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[Lonewolf]

Originally Posted by Mr.Zoolittle

I was at my local dealership two days ago and the tec said they replaced a "cooked" engine in a FR-S. Makes me want to get out of this. I had an MR2 Turbo with 212k miles on it. No engine problems.

So random unsubstantiated rumors without any context make you want to dump your car?

...you must be the type that is easily swayed

I have some beach front property in Arizona I can sell you if you're interested

[Annahra]

Originally Posted by Monogram

Again, every single post regarding a failed engine has extenuating circumstances.

I am waiting for anyone to post verifiable proof of an engine failure on an unmodified / undamaged vehicle.

For this to be valuable information though you would need to know what percentage of cars on this forum are completely stock and undamaged. I bet it's not many.

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[suaveflooder]

Originally Posted by Mr.Zoolittle

I was at my local dealership two days ago and the tec said they replaced a "cooked" engine in a FR-S. Makes me want to get out of this. I had an MR2 Turbo with 212k miles on it. No engine problems.

EVERY car is going to have an engine failure rate. Doesn't mean to dump the car. If you start seeing engine failure threads pop up like the cricket threads when the car was new, THEN it's time to start worrying.

It's like the DI seals. HUGE "pandalerium" (jeff foxworth joke) in the beginning, but it seems like the freak-out seems to have died out a bit. I haven't seen the threads brought up in quite awhile. I even have them on my push notifications on tapatalk to see when the threads are bumped.

This forum has been rather "dull" lately on the reliability drama. New "special series" cars, new wheels, fs threads, turbo threads, FI threads, Tracking threads. THIS, in my mind anyway, is a good thing. You ever been on a BMW site where issues threads are pretty much all that are posted? The car, so far anyway, is tried and true. There are some 60k+ mile cars starting to show up with zero issues. I know @whataboutbob beats the hell out of his car with autox and it's been rock solid.

[whataboutbob]

Originally Posted by suaveflooder

EVERY car is going to have an engine failure rate. Doesn't mean to dump the car. If you start seeing engine failure threads pop up like the cricket threads when the car was new, THEN it's time to start worrying.

It's like the DI seals. HUGE "pandalerium" (jeff foxworth joke) in the beginning, but it seems like the freak-out seems to have died out a bit. I haven't seen the threads brought up in quite awhile. I even have them on my push notifications on tapatalk to see when the threads are bumped.

This forum has been rather "dull" lately on the reliability drama. New "special series" cars, new wheels, fs threads, turbo threads, FI threads, Tracking threads. THIS, in my mind anyway, is a good thing. You ever been on a BMW site where issues threads are pretty much all that are posted? The car, so far anyway, is tried and true. There are some 60k+ mile cars starting to show up with zero issues. I know @whataboutbob beats the hell out of his car with autox and it's been rock solid.

Yep, 55K+ on the clock, 20K+ boosted. So far had the fuel pump swapped for the crickets, which didn't fix them, and coil pack #1 go out. Other than that the car has held up very well. That said, I don't do burnouts, bounce the car off the rev limiter, let it warm up nicely in the AM, and always keep up on the oil changes at 3.5K. BTW, I'm VIN #243.

[Mr 286]

Another update from dealer:

Called me to today and said short block is in, and they're buttoning everything up so I should have it back by Tuesday.

[Mr 286]

I also found my line item collision adjustment paperwork from last year. I was a little off. It was about $11,000 not $14,000. Parts were about $7,000 of that total.

The most expensive part was the electrical harness for the engine at $1700. The hood was next at $630. The next most expensive parts all hovered in the $360-$450 dollar range, which were the radiator support, radiator, condenser, headlights, and bumper cover.

[inertia]

Originally Posted by Monogram

Seriously? Perrin Intake does not make it a stock engine. The previous one I looked at had a Perrin crank pulley and it lost a crank bearing.

This appears to be a serious over-rev situation (most likely a downshift at high rpm). There is no way this engine damage was caused by someone starting a vehicle: No way.

I agree! This looks like damage caused by detonation/running lean.

[Mr 286]

Ok, so they missed the last Tuesday delivery date and since then it's been repeated excuses about some issue or another with putting the car back together. They were having issues with the Cam timing (surprise, surprise), and now they keep getting diagnostic codes that keep popping up lol

I swear ... I'm about ready to dump this car soon at this point. I mean, I've had issues with every car I've owned at one point or another, but how is it that I have put together several used, decade old 3S-GTE motors; some of which have been in MAJOR accidents where there was total loss, and all that was needed to get it on the street and reliable were a new water pump, oil pump, seals, gaskets etc? This car has trouble with brand new engines ... what a joke.

So, to the guy who was saying the fender bender I had killed this engine ... that is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. You must work for Toyota damage control, or you're paranoid your own engine is going to fail eventually.

Now, I'm an owner; not some guy just hating on this car. I truly enjoyed driving this car, but I think the reality is that it's easy to throw praise on a brand new car that hasn't been driven and truly tested over the course of an ownership. So far, it falls short of my expectations for reliability.

[AllDayJonRay]

There are margins for mistakes, problems, failures, etc. with every brand and model there is. I'm really sorry that you've had these issues, but it certainly does not mean that 86s are a reliability 'joke'.

For every person with problems like yours, there are likely 99 happy owners with no reported problems.

I was an mr2 owner for ~8 years (sw20), and I had a fair share more issues with mine than it would seem you've had with yours, even with professionally built engines. Goes to show, every car is different, and every experience is different.

[Mr 286]

Yeah well, the other side of the argument are the people here saying this engine is basically flawless when it isn't. There have been people coming to this thread not to provide useful insight like your post, but rather to try and deny that the motor can fail under normal circumstances at all, which is a joke to me. They want to blame everything but the fact that stuff can break on this car without needing some extenuating circumstances.


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[Mr 286]

All these people who want to blame a fender bender, mods, or owner maintenance etc are not helping the community. I posted this to inform and assist the community so that in the future, if another owner experiences an issue they can point to this and other threads if their dealer tries denying them warranty work.


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[Davey]

Did they ever give you any more detail on what specifically failed? I read the whole thread, maybe I missed it. Curious if it was a main bearing or what.

[HunterGreene]

Originally Posted by Mr 286

Ok, so they missed the last Tuesday delivery date and since then it's been repeated excuses about some issue or another with putting the car back together. They were having issues with the Cam timing (surprise, surprise), and now they keep getting diagnostic codes that keep popping up lol

I swear ... I'm about ready to dump this car soon at this point. I mean, I've had issues with every car I've owned at one point or another, but how is it that I have put together several used, decade old 3S-GTE motors; some of which have been in MAJOR accidents where there was total loss, and all that was needed to get it on the street and reliable were a new water pump, oil pump, seals, gaskets etc? This car has trouble with brand new engines ... what a joke.

Long story short, I've been there with my previous car. See if you can get a meeting with the GM and Service Manager and unload on them. When I did this it ended up getting me a 100,000 mile warranty on a car with 50,000 miles already on it.