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Old 07-13-2012, 03:43 PM   #57
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Don't get me wrong, the fa20 is impressive in its own right, I just don't think it has comparable potential.
Yea, unfortunately direct injection doesn't completely make up for a crapton more rpm.
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Yea, unfortunately direct injection doesn't completely make up for a crapton more rpm.
Thankfully some FI kits should hit the market soon.
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Old 07-13-2012, 05:25 PM   #59
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Speaking of potential:

Tainen's BRZ with I/H/DP/axleback made 179 whp. Even in a best case scenario where Perrin's tune added 10whp, that'd be ~190 whp @ 7000 rpm.

In comparison, an RSX-S with similar mods (I/H/E/tune) will make about 210-220 whp @ 8000 rpm.

Certainly over time tuners will find a way to squeeze more power out of the fa20, but the gap is so large, it'd be hard for the fa20 to match the potential of Honda's k-series (iVTEC + high redline).

Don't get me wrong, the fa20 is impressive in its own right, I just don't think it has comparable potential.
That is actually disappointing figures for the FA20 with those mods. The stock power is between 160-170 whp and Tainens car was I think rated at 162whp right?
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That is actually disappointing figures for the FA20 with those mods. The stock power is between 160-170 whp and Tainens car was I think rated at 162whp right?
You think? Just changing the exhaust and essentially nothing else (I think the intake barely did anything right?) for more than 10% greater power is not bad I think.
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I reckon it will be hard too know whats going to happen to the fa20. .. only time will tell lol
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Overall Handling:
FR-S > DC2 > DC5

Steering Feel:
DC2 > FR-S = DC5

Chassis Balance (neutral being better):
FR-S >>> DC5 > DC2

Body Roll (less roll being better):
FR-S > DC5 > DC2

Ride Comfort:
DC2 > DC5 = FR-S
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Not sure if I agree. I own a DC2-R and a DC5. I think the chassis balance of the DC2 to be much more neutral than the DC5. In terms of roll. It depends on how old your shocks are. If you can find a brand new OEM DC2-R suspension and brand new RSX-S insurance it might be a different outcome. I find the DC5 ride comfort to be way better than the DC2. Even the panels on the DC2 are thinner. You can hear everything outside. I'd say the FRS has the worse steering feel out of all of them. You are comparing two hydraulic systems to a new electric system. I do agree the FRS can outhandle the DC2. It takes a good driver to do so though. It's much easier to drive the FWD DC2 at its limits.
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The Elise / Exige do not have an LSD standard and are actually faster on the track without it. Understandably, there are quite a few differences between an RSX and a Lotus, but it's not necessarily imperative that a sports car have an LSD.
Different cars. In a FWD world of Hondas. A LSD makes a HUGE difference. Just drive two rsx's back to back one with a 1 way lsd and one with an open diff.
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Not sure if I agree. I own a DC2-R and a DC5. I think the chassis balance of the DC2 to be much more neutral than the DC5. In terms of roll. It depends on how old your shocks are. If you can find a brand new OEM DC2-R suspension and brand new RSX-S insurance it might be a different outcome. I find the DC5 ride comfort to be way better than the DC2. Even the panels on the DC2 are thinner. You can hear everything outside. I'd say the FRS has the worse steering feel out of all of them. You are comparing two hydraulic systems to a new electric system. I do agree the FRS can outhandle the DC2. It takes a good driver to do so though. It's much easier to drive the FWD DC2 at its limits.
Yeah it might depend which DC2 you have. I haven't driven an ITR, but I suspect its suspension was setup with firmer springs/shocks and less body roll than the GS-R I had. If I recall, the ITR also lacked sound insulation.

Also agree with your comment on LSD making a bigger difference on FWD Hondas.

Man I miss Honda's "glory days".
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i own a 06 rsx-s and im waiting for my frs. i guess frs and dc5 are incomparable since both are different functions.
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That is actually disappointing figures for the FA20 with those mods. The stock power is between 160-170 whp and Tainens car was I think rated at 162whp right?
Your forgetting this is peak power and not to mention this was done on a different dyno than what his baseline was on. With those mods, he was seeing over 20 lft lbs of tq gained in the dip, and 29 whp in some of the higher RPM's, with 8-15 whp all across the entire power band. That is impressive if you ask me. Go ask an S2k guy what exhaust, headers and a tune nets him?
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anyone go stock vs stock type-s? :P brz/frs has been out for a while now and no update to this thread!
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anyone go stock vs stock type-s? :P brz/frs has been out for a while now and no update to this thread!
I had a 2006 type-s that I sold in 2009 so it's been a few years but the BRZ is in a different league. Much more balanced, responsive, and obviously RWD > FWD. BRZ feels like a sports car, RSX feels like a sporty coupe.

The K20 had a little more pull up top thanks to its 8k redline but the BRZ has more torque down-low which is nice for every day driving. Overall the engines feel pretty similar and the gear ratios are actually almost identical. The build quality of the RSX was much better (no rattles at all) and it never once saw the dealership so it had that going for it but I would never think of going back.
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RSX-S has legendary reliability.
I went to the dealership not too long ago to test drive an FRS and I must say I did not expect to be this underwhelmed. My RSX-S barely has any mods on it (i/h/e) and I still remember how it was stock. I'm not really sure what numbers say, but stock for stock I do feel like the k20 would be quicker.

I did feel a pretty vast difference in handling (the FRS being better, obviously)

As far as interior goes, someone mentionned that FRS>>RSX .. I disagree. For a 10+ year old car, some of it feels better as far as quality goes. (wtf cupholders?)
The RSX is much more versatile too, being a hatch.

That being said, I am looking to sell my type-s and going with an frs/brz, so I guess all in all, RWD>FWD.
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RSX-S has legendary reliability.
I went to the dealership not too long ago to test drive an FRS and I must say I did not expect to be this underwhelmed. My RSX-S barely has any mods on it (i/h/e) and I still remember how it was stock. I'm not really sure what numbers say, but stock for stock I do feel like the k20 would be quicker.

I did feel a pretty vast difference in handling (the FRS being better, obviously)

As far as interior goes, someone mentionned that FRS>>RSX .. I disagree. For a 10+ year old car, some of it feels better as far as quality goes. (wtf cupholders?)
The RSX is much more versatile too, being a hatch.

That being said, I am looking to sell my type-s and going with an frs/brz, so I guess all in all, RWD>FWD.
Try taking a look at the BRZ Limited if you'd like a slightly upgraded interior. You may find you like the added amenities coming from the RSX.
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