Racing, Reckless Driving, Super Speeder.

[why?]

You've already been to prison.

Get a lawyer. Without one you're screwed.

You are going to have to sell your car. Unless you are a minor there is zero chance they are not going to yank your license for a long time unless you have an amazing lawyer.

There is a good chance that "Charger" behind you was a cop. They run schemes like that all the time.

[Howaitoguru]

Originally Posted by why?

You've already been to prison.

Get a lawyer. Without one you're screwed.

You are going to have to sell your car. Unless you are a minor there is zero chance they are not going to yank your license for a long time unless you have an amazing lawyer.

There is a good chance that "Charger" behind you was a cop. They run schemes like that all the time.

That’s what my mom said too. She thinks it was a trap. I noticed also once I got blue lighted the red charger crept next to me in the median until I pulled over idk if they thought I was going to run? I thought they were pulling him over. This is all so confusing and stressful. Also, never been to prison. Been to jail. Prison is a different world. Never want to go there. Don’t want to go to jail either.


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[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by why?

You've already been to prison.

Get a lawyer. Without one you're screwed.

You are going to have to sell your car. Unless you are a minor there is zero chance they are not going to yank your license for a long time unless you have an amazing lawyer.

There is a good chance that "Charger" behind you was a cop. They run schemes like that all the time.

I would love to see one officially documented "scheme" such as this. They can catch plenty of speeders without baiting people. Just the timing required to have the other car up to speed in traffic while the cruiser came from the other direction would be quite a feat to pull off.

[ermax]

Originally Posted by why?

You've already been to prison.

Get a lawyer. Without one you're screwed.

You are going to have to sell your car. Unless you are a minor there is zero chance they are not going to yank your license for a long time unless you have an amazing lawyer.

There is a good chance that "Charger" behind you was a cop. They run schemes like that all the time.

The first thing that came to mind as reading his story was that the charger was a cop. I’ve see several stories of cops in unmarked cars riding ass trying to instigate a race. Seems borderline entrapment to me.

[ermax]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I would love to see one officially documented "scheme" such as this. They can catch plenty of speeders without baiting people. Just the timing required to have the other car up to speed in traffic while the cruiser came from the other direction would be quite a feat to pull off.

They aren’t looking for speeders they are looking for street racers. If they pull crap like this enough times and word gets around it will cut down on street racing.

[Howaitoguru]

Originally Posted by ermax

They aren’t looking for speeders they are looking for street racers. If they pull crap like this enough times and word gets around it will cut down on street racing.

Wouldn’t this be some form of entrapment though? Isn’t that illegal?


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[Tcoat]

Bullshit.
The cop came over a hill.
Saw two cars speeding and apparently racing.
Had a split second to make a decision.
Pulled over both.
One ran.
Cop called it in and stayed with the one he had.
No conspiracy, scheme or any other shady goings on.
It was just bad timing on How's part and now he needs to fight it. Get it knocked down to speeding and pay the fine.
Hell, he doesn't even know how fast he was actually going so maybe the 80 was right.


People need to rationalize such things to figure out why it wasn't their fault.
Everybody go ahead and make shit up based on absolutely no facts though. It seems to be the trend these days.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Howaitoguru

Wouldn’t this be some form of entrapment though? Isn’t that illegal?

Technically, no. Giving someone the "opportunity" to break the law is not entrapment. It's a sting operation, but it's not illegal.

In this case the driver could have just maintained his (near) legal speed and pulled over in the right lane and let the Charger pass rather than speeding up.

[Howaitoguru]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Technically, no. Giving someone the "opportunity" to break the law is not entrapment. It's a sting operation, but it's not illegal.



In this case the driver could have just maintained his (near) legal speed and pulled over in the right lane and let the Charger pass rather than speeding up.

There was no room in the right lane and as soon as there was an opening he cut off the other drivers and zoomed around me.


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[ermax]

Originally Posted by Howaitoguru

Wouldn’t this be some form of entrapment though? Isn’t that illegal?


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Seems like it would be. I had something similar happen to me by a cop in a C300 with normal plate even with one of those rented covers over the plate. The light turned green and I took off like I normally would. He then guns it like I was trying to race (I wasn’t) and once he took off I then actually took off racing. Once I was clearly ahead I slowed back to the speed limit and he gets on my ass all aggressive. I take my exit and he follows. When we get to the light I see in my rearview that he is in a uniform and has a light on his dash. As soon as the light turns green and we turn on to the next road he turns on his light. I pull over and he gets out and starts yelling at me. I stay calm but he keeps threatening to take me to jail. He asks me what I think he should do. I calmly said, “do what ever you feel you to do”. He calmed down and told me to drive safely and halve a nice day.

A friend of mine is a cop and told me it was probably one of the narcotics guys because they drive impound cars all the time. So I got lucky I guess.

[Howaitoguru]

Originally Posted by ermax

Seems like it would be. I had something similar happen to me by a cop in a C300 with normal plate even with one of those rented covers over the plate. The light turned green and I took off like I normally would. He then guns it like I was trying to race (I wasn’t) and once he took off I then actually took off racing. Once I was clearly ahead I slowed back to the speed limit and he gets on my ass all aggressive. I take my exit and he follows. When we get to the light I see in my rearview that he is in a uniform and has a light on his dash. As soon as the light turns green and we turn on to the next road he turns on his light. I pull over and he gets out and starts yelling at me. I stay calm but he keeps threatening to take me to jail. He asks me what I think he should do. I calmly said, “do what ever you feel you to do”. He calmed down and told me to drive safely and halve a nice day.

A friend of mine is a cop and told me it was probably one of the narcotics guys because they drive impound cars all the time. So I got lucky I guess.

That’s fucked up.


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[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Howaitoguru

There was no room in the right lane and as soon as there was an opening he cut off the other drivers and zoomed around me.

Well, in your case I seriously doubt the guy behind you was a cop. As @Tcoat said, the timing just would be near impossible. If it was a sting, likely the second cop car would have been ahead of you on the same side of the road and he would have waited for you to pass. Even with that, that's a lot of effort for one ticket.

Your best bet at this point is to lawyer up. You may be able to work through it yourself as others have suggested, but it will be tough. If I take your description as accurate it seems there area enough holes a lawyer should be able to get it reduced to something more reasonable.

[Howaitoguru]

Originally Posted by ermax

Seems like it would be. I had something similar happen to me by a cop in a C300 with normal plate even with one of those rented covers over the plate. The light turned green and I took off like I normally would. He then guns it like I was trying to race (I wasn’t) and once he took off I then actually took off racing. Once I was clearly ahead I slowed back to the speed limit and he gets on my ass all aggressive. I take my exit and he follows. When we get to the light I see in my rearview that he is in a uniform and has a light on his dash. As soon as the light turns green and we turn on to the next road he turns on his light. I pull over and he gets out and starts yelling at me. I stay calm but he keeps threatening to take me to jail. He asks me what I think he should do. I calmly said, “do what ever you feel you to do”. He calmed down and told me to drive safely and halve a nice day.

A friend of mine is a cop and told me it was probably one of the narcotics guys because they drive impound cars all the time. So I got lucky I guess.

That’s fucked up.


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[RToyo86]

Manufacturers should start making dash cams standard, which can optionally record speed too. It would make police, and other drivers more accountable for situations such as this. Maybe you were speeding but not to the assumed speed the police decide to say you were going.


You can use one of those X-copper type lawyers and see what they can do for you. A friend of mine many years ago used them multiple times in a single year and managed to save his license and car. I believe in his instance they told him not to go to court and let them take care of it for him.

He had one of the first cases back when Ontario's 50km over street racing law was just coming into effect. Along with a reckless driving charge and some other minors.