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Old 09-25-2019, 12:43 PM   #617
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Oh, not really. I've had several vehicles from my past, that I sometimes wished that I had kept (1956 Ford PU, 1970 MGB-GT, 2006 MX-5), then I stop and ask myself - WHY?




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I found myself in the same boat not too long ago, on how much fun I had with my 1986 Honda Prelude si, but then again I was in high school when I drove that car. I feel like im ready for a "big boy toy" but I'm very pleased with the 86. I wonder if what the color palette would be on the next gen if they even decide to change it. I really like the red on the q60 sport
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Old 09-25-2019, 02:19 PM   #618
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If you like more weight and less stiffness, targa is great for that...
What about lift out targa panels in two pieces (leaving a center cross beam in place preserving chassis stiffness; and also manual locking, no glass, etc. preserving weight)? A bit more open cockpit (w/o sacrificing weight, chassis strength, aero efficiency, etc. — even if that meant old style manually removable/trunk storage panels) is one of the features that would (for me) make the already great 86/BRZ experience even greater.
If I was an Emory, Singer, Ruff, etc. and dedicated to 86 like they’re dedicated to 911 this (old world targa style panels) would be my first major body style modification. The ND RF seems too mechanically complex for my old man/old school aesthetics.
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Old 09-25-2019, 02:37 PM   #619
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Nice, you turn your failings to write what you mean into the readers inability to understand.

Yes, I tend to get a little miffed by posters who continue to beat a dead horse subject. Like Tcoat and his rage against "Fake News" on "click bait" web sites, (which I agree with) I'll hold anyone accountable for what they post. Just as you are doing to me, now!

As stated in previous posts and understand, these are not "Mine." In keeping with your sarcastic tone, you should have used the word "would" in place of the word "could".
Fact, Toyota has the ability to build a car from the ground up.
Fact, Toyota didn't with the 86 for very good reasons.
(Read or watch any of the Tada interviews)

One last thing; I think opinions should contain some basis of fact or informed intelligent observation. Too often these days opinions are formed by emotion, misinformation and personal bias. Yes, by pure definition it's still an opinion but... Just because someone yells something over and over and over again it doesn't make it true.


Flame suit doesn't fit me anymore so I guess I'll get a little burnt.
Thanks for sharing your opinion on my opinion in relation to replacing the boxer engine.

As for why it was used, well, you could go with the marketing, me, I believe it was more to do with the collaboration between Toyota and Subaru, Toyota supplied the backing and D-4S, Subaru, the 99% of parts and manufacturing plant.

But again, that is my opinion on why a boxer was used.

In the end, if my views or opinions are different to yours, feel free to tell me what I should think, ensure you use caps though, that always helps prove your point.

Bring on 2022, by then, maybe some assumptions will be made fact.
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Old 09-25-2019, 02:51 PM   #620
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What about lift out targa panels in two pieces (leaving a center cross beam in place preserving chassis stiffness; and also manual locking, no glass, etc. preserving weight)?
T-tops are not a great solution... Still sacrifice stiffness and add weight. Center cross beam gives back a tiny amount of bending stiffness in an awkward place, midway between the A-pillars to midway between the B-pillars, and does next to nothing for torsional stiffness.

Difficult and ill-advised to try to make a car intended as a fixed-roof coupe into an open-top roadster. Again, you're gonna add weight and sacrifice stiffness, there's just no way around it. The roof as a shear panel is just soooo structurally efficient.
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Old 09-25-2019, 03:52 PM   #621
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IIRC the 86 had been originally designed with a convertible variant in mind.
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You can find pics of the convertible FRS all over Google Images...



I'm sorry to say this, but they just look... wrong.

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I couldn't even point to what it is that I dislike in that design, but my brain tells me something is off there.
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Old 09-25-2019, 05:27 PM   #623
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It’s missing a wing! And proper convertible top covers on either rear corner of the interior area. Otherwise it looks awesome
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https://www.torquenews.com/1084/suba...ion-wrx-or-brz

Looks like no BRZ reveal unfortunately.
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Anyone considering trading in their current 86 if all goes well with the next gen 86? I'm having trouble deciding because my car is paid off but I was also considering getting the Supra. I would love to keep my current 86 to compliment which ever other car I get but space is getting limited since I also have a 91 MR2 turbo that sleeps in the garage.
Depends on how much of an evolution/upgrade it is over the current one and of course how it drives.

Supra sounds like a cool car to own, wish it was manual though. By the time you're ready to trade in the Supra the second gen twins would've likely been out a while and you could get a second gen then.
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Old 09-25-2019, 07:33 PM   #626
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Looks like no BRZ reveal unfortunately.
Won't be an 86 one either.
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IIRC the 86 had been originally designed with a convertible variant in mind.
No. They did knock the idea around but when you read the history they very clearly say they went coupe instead of convertible or hatch for rigidity.
Even when they showed it they made it clear it wasn't coming nor was "originally" planned as one as rumour said.

"Dealers in the U.S. were pushing for the convertible project to happen as demand was gauged to be high in the North American market. Scion took the lead and even investigated the engineering aspects of the project. Murtha said, "We took the lead on that within North America. We started doing some of the engineering investigation. We could not build a business case."
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As for why it was used, well, you could go with the marketing, me, I believe it was more to do with the collaboration between Toyota and Subaru, Toyota supplied the backing and D-4S, Subaru, the 99% of parts and manufacturing plant.
The car actually has just about as much Toyota parts bin stuff as it does Subaru.

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Why the boxer was used is explained in full. Not sure why people think it is a mystery.
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. I wonder if what the color palette would be on the next gen
These days?

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You can find pics of the convertible FRS all over Google Images...



I'm sorry to say this, but they just look... wrong.

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I couldn't even point to what it is that I dislike in that design, but my brain tells me something is off there.
It's the rear seats. Makes the cabin look too long for what otherwise looks like a roadster. But the trunk would look too long without them. It's just not dimensioned to look good as a convertible.
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