Motor Trend: 2016 Miata vs 2015 BRZ

[swarb]

Originally Posted by GT86meMR2

I'm impressed by the motortrend miata 0-60 test and 1/4 test though, mazda in our country rates it a 0-62mph time of 7.3.

Launching at 4500-5000rpm and warm weather helps too.
Part of the faster time could also be the gearing and may require an extra shift into third to reach 62.5mph aka 100kph

[Dake]

Originally Posted by Levi

Before reveal, everyone thinks the MX-5 will not even try to match the Twins. After reveal, without even trying to match the twins but still matching them, now everyone says they expected it to be much faster.

The MX-5 hate on FT86Club is simply ridiculous. I can understand the hate, being that many want an MX-5 but a not a convertible, and thus have to pick up the inferior Twin with 2 extra useless seats that do nothing other than adding weight, the FWD weight distribution and so on...

lol wut

[SUB-FT86]

I wouldn't say the Flat 4 is the weakest link in our car. You have to remember weight is a factor in this test. The 86 is a "everyday" sports car so ultra low weight(-2500lbs) was not a priority. I would say the weakest link in our car is that it could stand to lose more weight(I'm fine with it) and weigh about 2500 even. I guarantee you would see then that an inline engine isn't the MX5's strongest weapon.

[Entroper]

Originally Posted by thill

That's a different track than Willow Springs. I thought that Tirerack and Motor Trend did a similar test with Randy Pobst and the results were not very dramatic with different tires on the FT86?

They got about 2 seconds out of better tires, which is in line with other tests. Seek to about 7:30, the first set of tires wasn't much faster, but the second set was.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by akyp

The test once again proved the flat-4 is the weakest link. Double wishbones > low CoG.

You sure about that? The BRZ got consistent praise for it's flat cornering nature, that is directly a result of it's low c.g. it also means that the 86 handles improved grip better while the Miata may struggle as it maxes out suspension travel with the higher g's.

imo the weak link is the weight, 450lbs is not something easy to overcome.

Originally Posted by swarb

Launching at 4500-5000rpm and warm weather helps too.
Part of the faster time could also be the gearing and may require an extra shift into third to reach 62.5mph aka 100kph

It is likely that figure is for the 1.5L engine not offered in America, we only get the 2.0L.

Originally Posted by thill

That's a different track than Willow Springs. I thought that Tirerack and Motor Trend did a similar test with Randy Pobst and the results were not very dramatic with different tires on the FT86?

It was a weird test, they did improved tires to the same class as the Bridgestones on the tested ND Miata (I linked it earlier in my argument that the S001's are NOT significantly faster than the Primacy's) 5:30 is where the 86 test starts.

Again, going from the Primacy's to Max Performance Summers (same as the S001) was worth 0.2 seconds.
Going to true performance tires RE11A was worth 2+ seconds, similar to the Direzza in the video above there's a big jump.

Edit: Oh and apparantly the S001 are also Low Rolling resistance tires according to Tirerack

The Potenza S001 is designed to combine low rolling resistance efficiency with maximum sports performance in dry and wet conditions.

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSqWD5BSeoY"]Testing Tires with Subaru BRZ, Ford Mustang & BMW 328i! The Downshift Ep. 65 - YouTube[/ame]

[housecat]

Originally Posted by Levi

The MX-5 hate on FT86Club is simply ridiculous. I can understand the hate, being that many want an MX-5 but a not a convertible, and thus have to pick up the inferior Twin with 2 extra useless seats that do nothing other than adding weight, the FWD weight distribution and so on...

I just want to chime in and represent for those who don't hate the Miata. I think that both the MX-5 and 86 are fantastic cars, and as an auto enthusiast I would love to drive and own either of them. I am glad that the BRZ has competition, because that will (hopefully) motivate manufacturers to design and build better vehicles. Personally, I choose the BRZ because I need a little more cargo space, and owning a second vehicle isn't possible for me at the moment. In fact, I like having the tiny rear seats because I can squeeze a couple people back there if I'm in a pinch.

I'll admit that it hurts to hear that another car is better than the BRZ in its class. At times the review made me feel like the BRZ was heavy and slow, where I used to believe that it was lightweight and fast. I still love my BRZ and I will enjoy driving it for years to come, but the MX-5 has earned my appreciation and respect.

[raven1231]

Originally Posted by housecat

I just want to chime in and represent for those who don't hate the Miata. I think that both the MX-5 and 86 are fantastic cars, and as an auto enthusiast I would love to drive and own either of them. I am glad that the BRZ has competition, because that will (hopefully) motivate manufacturers to design and build better vehicles. Personally, I choose the BRZ because I need a little more cargo space, and owning a second vehicle isn't possible for me at the moment. In fact, I like having the tiny rear seats because I can squeeze a couple people back there if I'm in a pinch.

I'll admit that it hurts to hear that another car is better than the BRZ in its class. At times the review made me feel like the BRZ was heavy and slow, where I used to believe that it was lightweight and fast. I still love my BRZ and I will enjoy driving it for years to come, but the MX-5 has earned my appreciation and respect.

The brz is a fat cow bro. It's a god damn beached whale of a car.

[Levi]

Originally Posted by housecat

I just want to chime in and represent for those who don't hate the Miata. I think that both the MX-5 and 86 are fantastic cars, and as an auto enthusiast I would love to drive and own either of them. I am glad that the BRZ has competition, because that will (hopefully) motivate manufacturers to design and build better vehicles. Personally, I choose the BRZ because I need a little more cargo space, and owning a second vehicle isn't possible for me at the moment. In fact, I like having the tiny rear seats because I can squeeze a couple people back there if I'm in a pinch.

I'll admit that it hurts to hear that another car is better than the BRZ in its class. At times the review made me feel like the BRZ was heavy and slow, where I used to believe that it was lightweight and fast. I still love my BRZ and I will enjoy driving it for years to come, but the MX-5 has earned my appreciation and respect.

That is just the point. Me using the term "inferior" for the Twins was provocative. We can twist things any way. They are two different but comparable cars, none is truly better than the other. The only better car is the one YOU own, and that is all that counts. We are car buyers, not manufacturers, so no point in "fighting" for which is better, we spend the money on the car, we don't earn on it.


I just don't get all the hate, maybe not from you, but many other posting here.

[SUB-FT86]

If the BRZ is a cow I'm afraid to find out what you think a Mustang GT is being that it weighs 1000 lbs more. I'll guess you would say it's a tanker or cruise ship if the BRZ is a "cow"

[GT86meMR2]

Originally Posted by swarb

Launching at 4500-5000rpm and warm weather helps too.
Part of the faster time could also be the gearing and may require an extra shift into third to reach 62.5mph aka 100kph

Could be It was definetly the 2.0 160hp version though the 1.5 supposedly goes in the +8sec.

[raven1231]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

If the BRZ is a cow I'm afraid to find out what you think a Mustang GT is being that it weighs 1000 lbs more. I'll guess you would say it's a tanker or cruise ship if the BRZ is a "cow"

Umm no. The mustang is a true performance car man. Honestly this thread should be Mustang vs. the world. No other cars are really worth talking about in my opinion.

[swarb]

Originally Posted by Levi

That is just the point. Me using the term "inferior" for the Twins was provocative. We can twist things any way. They are two different but comparable cars, none is truly better than the other. The only better car is the one YOU own, and that is all that counts. We are car buyers, not manufacturers, so no point in "fighting" for which is better, we spend the money on the car, we don't earn on it.

I just don't get all the hate, maybe not from you, but many other posting here.

In case you missed it, the thread title has VS. in it and it is posed in the twins VS XXXX area. And you are on a ft86 forum, of course we are going to be biased and favor OUR car on OUR forum. Nobody likes to lose.

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by raven1231

Umm no. The mustang is a true performance car man. Honestly this thread should be Mustang vs. the world. No other cars are really worth talking about in my opinion.

Listen everybody knows the Mx5 is the better performing car of the two. I'm just trying to find out why someone would buy a car that "feels like a cow". I did that and have since regretted it. You live and learn.

[raven1231]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

Listen everybody knows the Mx5 is the better performing car of the two. I'm just trying to find out why someone would buy a car that "feels like a cow". I did that and have since regretted it. You live and learn.

Same reason you bought this fat cow of a car. For Tada's spirit man.