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Old 09-18-2014, 04:35 PM   #617
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A 200lbs weight loss is MASSIVE.
Yeah, and so is a 200 lb. weight GAIN.

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To lose that much weight and still have the features it currently has and comply with federal safety regulations, the car would have to shrink to the size of a BRZ. That may be what all of you clearly like, but that is not what the Mustang, as a brand, is about. It's not a small 2+2 sports car.
Well, I wouldn't say it was ever a real "sports car", but it definitely WAS a "small 2+2" from 1964-1966 and from 1974-2004. Most iterations of the Mustang were lighter-weight than the contemporary Corvette.

There was a plan to make the new one smaller and lighter, but unfortunately they decided to keep it big and heavy
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Autoweek first drive of the Ecoboost: http://autoweek.com/article/car-revi...n=awdailydrive
Another interesting mention of the Twins there:

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I guess magazines feel obligated to mention the Twins because they feel those are the most compelling coupes under $30k right now. But I don't really see the Twins and Mustang as being in the same class. Having driven a 2013 Mustang GT and 2014 Mustang V6, the Twins are much smaller, sharper and lighter. And the Mustangs are more powerful, larger and refined. Very different cars.
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Old 09-18-2014, 04:55 PM   #619
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Yeah MT weighed their 2015 GT at 3814 lbs.

They're saying it's a 196 lb. increase from last year's similarly-equipped GT they tested.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...gt_first_test/
Hmm. then my 3705 musta been a dry weight.
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At least the 2.3L Ecoboost(really just a turbocharged Ti-VCT Duratec) provides me more engine pron.
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Another interesting mention of the Twins there:



I guess magazines feel obligated to mention the Twins because they feel those are the most compelling coupes under $30k right now. But I don't really see the Twins and Mustang as being in the same class. Having driven a 2013 Mustang GT and 2014 Mustang V6, the Twins are much smaller, sharper and lighter. And the Mustangs are more powerful, larger and refined. Very different cars.
Obviously, but these are $25,000 cars here. No way around that.

The truth is Top Gear makes a quick comparison which is unfavorable to the twins, but nobody was crying foul when the twins were coming in 1st and 2nd in this review

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...n/viewall.html
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Obviously, but these are $25,000 cars here. No way around that.

The truth is Top Gear makes a quick comparison which is unfavorable to the twins, but nobody was crying foul when the twins were coming in 1st and 2nd in this review

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...n/viewall.html
I don't think it's any surprise that a 300+ hp Mustang will be faster than the Twins. The outgoing model was, and the newer one will be. No one's disputing that, and that's all the Top Gear "comparison" was saying (as far as I can tell).

But that's not why the Twins won that MT competition, or Top Gear's COTY for that matter.

As you said, people will compare them because they're both $25k coupes. But they're different as can be.
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I guess magazines feel obligated to mention the Twins because they feel those are the most compelling coupes under $30k right now..... .
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...The truth is Top Gear makes a quick comparison which is unfavorable to the twins, but nobody was crying foul when the twins were coming in 1st and 2nd in this review...
Actually, I think Top Gear uses the 86 as a benchmark because they were one of its biggest fans in the initial release. I'm not surprised by the comparison, or the results against the new Mustang. I wouldn't classify anything that has been said as unfair.

I'm holding off final judgement until I can drive one, but there's a good chance I'll end up with a '15 Mustang parked next to the FR-S in my garage to replace MomHawk's Mustang '05 convertible.

I'm not really crazy about the look though, the initial "looks nice" impression I had has worn off for me. I think I was just happy initially it still looked like a Mustang and not the Aston wannabe in some of the first renderings. Then again, it won't be my car so my opinion matters only as far as my willingness to write my 49% of the check.
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Yeah, and so is a 200 lb. weight GAIN.

Well, I wouldn't say it was ever a real "sports car", but it definitely WAS a "small 2+2" from 1964-1966 and from 1974-2004. Most iterations of the Mustang were lighter-weight than the contemporary Corvette.

There was a plan to make the new one smaller and lighter, but unfortunately they decided to keep it big and heavy
I don't know. 200lbs is the weight of an adult male passenger. Mustangs have never been pure driving experience analog cars.


Also, small 2+2 is kind of relative. If you look at a 1st gen mustang vs something like a Hakosuka, it's still certainly bigger.

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SN95/New Edge Mustangs aren't exactly small either.



What has happened, honestly, is the car has come into line with the Camaro, with it's big weight, content, and IRS. At this point, they are not modern day 60s Mustangs and Camaros, they're modern day 60s Torinos and Chevelles. But I, and most buyers, understand what we're getting into because that's what we're looking for.
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I think Ford missed a golden opportunity with the new Mustang. The new car is nearly as long as a Camry but still does not offer much in the way of a useable backseat. They made a bigger, heavier car and could have slightly reduced some of the bulk, lost weight. In the end it won't matter much because the target demographic for a Mustang is a 50+ year old male and they will care more about interior refinement and the car driving better on the street. Which Ford accomplished.
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I think Ford missed a golden opportunity with the new Mustang. The new car is nearly as long as a Camry but still does not offer much in the way of a useable backseat. They made a bigger, heavier car and could have slightly reduced some of the bulk, lost weight. In the end it won't matter much because the target demographic for a Mustang is a 50+ year old male and they will care more about interior refinement and the car driving better on the street. Which Ford accomplished.
The target is literally everyone and the rest of the World (turbo, 30+ mpg, IRS, modern styling, roomier, etc). The styling is meant to attract more female buyers too. 50-100 pounds and an inch in length is really nothing to write home about.... Every last editor is saying that this is a proper Mustang and the best one yet. As far as a roomy backseat? Child please, it's a pony car at the end of the day and this ain't the 1960's so get with it... If you want a roomy backseat in an American Classic buy the Challenger.

Tuners are going to have a field day with the Ecoboost... At this point I'd rather have that model now and buy the V8 GT later when they update it with direct injection and other amenities.
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Just going to insert my opinion. Was really looking forward to seeing what this car was going to be like when they first announced it and showed pictures. Like This Article (Autoblog 2013), the car looked smaller and lighter. After some real photos came out, my excitement waned:





And it was easier to judge that the car was the same size and weight as the older mustangs with just a few aero improvements. Ford has made plenty of glamour shots and spread rumors that it would be a lighter car to try and make the car look smaller than it is. But it's really about the same size, shape, and weight as the 2014.



It looks good, and the interior is cool, and the engine choices are nice, but it doesn't pull me away from my BRZ.
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SN95/New Edge Mustangs aren't exactly small either.
Pic is misleading, the S95 Mustang is tiny compared to the '05+. Posting it well in front of a 3rd gen Camaro makes it look bigger than it is. It's taller than the 3rd gen F-body, but smaller in every other dimension. Before the OHC and DOHC V8s replaced the smaller/lighter-weight OHV 302, it was also only ~3250 lb. for the V8 models, while the 3rd gen was ~3450 and the C4 and C5 were ~3350 lb.

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What has happened, honestly, is the car has come into line with the Camaro, with it's big weight, content, and IRS. At this point, they are not modern day 60s Mustangs and Camaros, they're modern day 60s Torinos and Chevelles. But I, and most buyers, understand what we're getting into because that's what we're looking for.
And buyers like myself are left with nothing

They should have made the new Mustang a legitimate *alternative* to the absurdly oversized and overweight '10+ Camaro, not a Ford version of the same car
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Headlights are pushed out to the very edge making it look "derpy." Overall the front end is very bland and lacks the menacing look they used to have.
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They should have made the new Mustang a legitimate *alternative* to the absurdly oversized and overweight '10+ Camaro, not a Ford version of the same car
That is what makes the 86 a special car. Lightweight fixed-top coupes are usually 40k+ if you can even find them.
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