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Old 06-05-2019, 04:06 PM   #1
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Has anyone been able to A/B a PP versus tS?

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I have a '18 PP manual that I began tracking. I saw that my friends who started before me all eventually began adding chassis stiffening parts as well as big GT style wings. I was wondering if I could find a cheap, slightly used tS in the future, if it would be a good idea to swap out my ‘18PP with a ’18 tS (the extra red interior bling is tugging the heart strings of the dark, ricer part of my soul.)

Has any track rats here been able to A/B the PP against the tS (or the new TRD 86)? Do the big carbon wing and splitter help stability on track at all?

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Old 06-05-2019, 04:17 PM   #2
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Its oem aero, man. You're just comparing trim packages at this point, same chassis. Honestly I dont think either package is worth any more than a stock 86 or brz

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Old 06-05-2019, 04:47 PM   #3
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the only thing that matters is the 4.30 diff and the stock suspensions (maybe brembos)

but utlimately ^ is right, its just a wing and lip and some sti braces, that frankly can be had from the parts catalouge. I built a 2018 brz tS outta my 2015 frs and i wish i hgotten the brz in the first place. it was hard and expensive and timely
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the only thing that matters is the 4.30 diff and the stock suspensions (maybe brembos)

but utlimately ^ is right, its just a wing and lip and some sti braces, that frankly can be had from the parts catalouge. I built a 2018 brz tS outta my 2015 frs and i wish i hgotten the brz in the first place. it was hard and expensive and timely
Right! If I decided I wanted the tS enough, I would just trade in the '18 PP for a tS.
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Honestly it would be cheaper / easier in all likelihood to add the parts (or similar aftermarket) to your pp brz. The ts on the used market will be tough to find and likely command a premium.
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BRZ with 17+ dampers/springs and 4.3 FD, with a cattless UEL/OFT tune, and old Azenis.



The TS was a solid second or two faster out of the box. I'd be curious if he could close that gap with better tires, but he speaks a lot about the stability and confidence gained from the rear wing.
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I'd be extremely surprised if the tS was measurably faster if both came out of the showroom with the same tires.
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I'd be extremely surprised if the tS was measurably faster if both came out of the showroom with the same tires.

Around a fast track, I wouldn't doubt a second or two gained with a decent wing. It would still be a good comparison.



Over all unless you're hell bent on getting the Ts looks with a warranty, you could easily get your sport pack to run as fast or faster for much cheaper.
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This is a fact. Ill have a build profile up where i mechanically changed my 15 frs to a 18 TS including all the bracing and aero bits.

sadly it wont be a good comparison vs a PP, but should someday someone put out a video request of a stock PP vs a modded base vs a tS im sure i would rise to the call.

really though my car isnt a good basis for comparison anymore since it is prepped for STX (ish) which means stuff was swapped out over a stock car. (like running V720 225's vs the stock tS' 215s?)
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Around a fast track, I wouldn't doubt a second or two gained with a decent wing. It would still be a good comparison.



Over all unless you're hell bent on getting the Ts looks with a warranty, you could easily get your sport pack to run as fast or faster for much cheaper.

Maybe. I don't see a second or two in that wing. But I'm in for the results if anybody wants to prove me wrong!
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TS owner here. I was able to get my car out on COTA recently and get some very "rough" times. I was in blue group (I put myself there since I was rusty and haven't been on a track in years) and was only allowed to pass on the straights. The only mods I have done to my car is a Nameless muffler delete and a Whiteline 22mm FSB, everything else is stock.

The "fastest" time I got was a 2:58, but I was stuck behind a bunch of trains in the turns.

I know a high 2:4x - low 2:5x is easily possible when I can get a clean run in.

As for the wing, the rear does feel more planted in the high speed turns and stable on the long straights.
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You also have extra bracing which would lend itself to a different feel.

where you on stock tires?
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You also have extra bracing which would lend itself to a different feel.

where you on stock tires?
Yup, same tires from the factory when I bought it. I've done 6 autocross events, 1 track day and daily drive on the same tires.
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I've A/B with the same tires on both cars.

The tS is minimally more stable, but virtually no performance increase, due to the sheer amount of WOT time spent in both cars.
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