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03-15-2019, 07:16 PM | #212 | |
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I think the problem here is that I'm used to the tacoma having a good low and midrange so it's what I prefer. Many people here like to sit in traffic cruising at 6k in 1st gear and find that okay. I dont do that. I also think that people aren't from socal and don't understand what I'm talking about with the on ramps. I travel a lot and see the distances of other states' on ramps versus California on ramps. It's pretty unbelievable if you are from other states with normal on ramps. Main point I'm trying to make is that a tacoma has less trouble doing the maneuvers I'm talking about. Remember, op has a tacoma and he might switch to our cars so I'm letting him know as a 2.5 year owner of a frs, that he will feel this car is lacking in the low and mid range. Main point I'm making is taco vs twins. I have experience with both vehicles. Many of these forum member are NOT coming from a torquey vehicle. OP is coming from a torquey vehicle. Just letting him know what's up. People just aren't grasping my point. |
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03-15-2019, 07:17 PM | #213 | |
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As far as this merging discussion, I usually find the limitation in merging onto a freeway is the vehicle in front of me! What are they going to do? - humfrz |
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03-15-2019, 07:19 PM | #214 | |
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A tacoma will beat the twins from a stop, then the 86 will eventually catch up and pass. EDIT: I see what you mean about 0 to 60 in both vehicle. A tacoma will feel more confident during a tough merge because of the instant power, then it just keeps pulling. It's that initial shove. The 86 gives you anxiety for a split second, and then when you get in the high rpms then you feel confident. That's also where you will pass the tacoma. But for the twins to beat the tacoma in a 0 to 60, you must drop the clutch at a good amount of rpm. Last edited by Tangizdope; 03-15-2019 at 07:36 PM. |
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I've seen this line of reasoning before regarding S2000 and other lower-torque cars that make power up top, that it's somehow harder or more difficult or more effort to just shift later at higher rpm. It isn't! Is super easy! I'm genuinely puzzled as to *why* people seem to think it's "more effort". |
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03-15-2019, 08:09 PM | #216 | |
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Like I took a whole day to read the entire thread? More effort lol I've read this over and over and over. The car is slow, can't keep up with traffic, has no torque and on top of that has a giant ass torque canyon! Sometimes I wonder why anyone here has one OP get get Miata |
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Well, it's been fun chaps, but I'm off the the Tacoma forum. From what I understand, it's basically a supercar in mid-sized truck trim. Gotta get me one.
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It's a step down for daily driving if all you do is drive in traffic and straight lines. If your commute is curvy, then 86 is perfect. It has lots of room (in terms of my lifestyle), one of the best handlers I've ever driven, and it looks great. The problem is that people would rather tell everyone to buy a twin, rather than seeing what they came from and telling them the downsides of the twins vs what they used to drive. Then that guy regrets buying one years later and say bad things about the twins. Most of these people have never even driven a 2nd gen tacoma before yet tells the OP power is great. If OP is already complaining about power before even buying the car, how do you think he will feel in a few years. He comes from a meaty torque curve. You will definitely notice that dip all the time if you have been driving a 2nd gen taco daily. |
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I still say the lack of torque is greatly exaggerated. |
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think the biggest issue is what people think about high engine revs. I have heard it from my friends before, oh I don't take it to the redline because it makes the engine work too hard and thus hurts my car. One friend even told me they never tried because he wasn't aware that there is a hard limiter and figured he could over rev the engine by mistake. If Toyota & Subaru didn't want users to be going to 7400 rpm, they would have lowered the limiter..
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You won't notice that dip that much unless you have driven a car with a meaty torque curve. If you come from a car that you have to wring out, then you are used to it and like it |
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I came from a 6.8 liter FD RX-7. It had a pretty meaty torque curve...
Having to keep revs up in order to accelerate in the BRZ doesn't bother me, and neither does the "torque dip". If I need to *really* accelerate, I am nowhere near the dip anyway. I only find myself in the "dip" rpm range while I'm at ~50% throttle or less. And in that context it's really not a big deal. I can see that if someone regularly had to all of a sudden accelerate hard *immediately* and it wasn't foreseen, that they could be frustrated. But I seem to always know well in advance and upshift accordingly... |
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