Frs vs s2000

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by shyong

Someone sounds bitter. It's just really hard for me to take you seriously with the whole "no feel" barrage. When bulk of the cars listed on your profiles are Integras.

Yes, I've owned a Integra Type R too but I didn't think it's steering was any better or worse than the S2000's. This "feel" you speak of...what is it? When I think of non-responsive steering with very little feel, I think of cars like the Camry, Accord, Malibu, trucks, rental vehicles, etc.

In comparison to the FR-S, it isn't all that bad like you're making it out to be.

The Integra doesn't have great feel either. It was better than the S2000. By feel I mean communication, what the tires are doing, surface, etc. You get communication in the S2000 through the chassis, but not the steering. Again, the S2000 steering was responsive and precise, I never said it wasn't.

If you want to feel great steering feel go drive some old 911s, then drive the S2000 and it'll be obvious. Unfortunately during my S2000 days I spent a lot of time in a 911 RS America and an Elise which didn't help.

We all have opinions and that's a good thing.

The S2K is one of the few cars that I've owned that I never made a connection with. I've seen many people who just absolutely fall in love with the S2000 and I was just never able to. Not sure why even. Actually driving it to the Carolinas, having relaxed fun in the mountains, etc are my favorite memories of that car, sadly that's a long drive from where I live and not something I could do every weekend. If I lived in Asheville, etc then I'm not sure I would find a better car for the money (otherwise a Boxster Spyder).

The S2000 as a coupe instead of a roadster with a ton more steering feel (plus good aero instead of the brick-with-lift aero it has), oh and better rear suspension design, would be an absolutely fantastic car though

IMO anyways.

[shyong]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

The Integra doesn't have great feel either. It was better than the S2000. By feel I mean communication, what the tires are doing, surface, etc. You get communication in the S2000 through the chassis, but not the steering. Again, the S2000 steering was responsive and precise, I never said it wasn't.

If you want to feel great steering feel go drive some old 911s, then drive the S2000 and it'll be obvious. Unfortunately during my S2000 days I spent a lot of time in a 911 RS America and an Elise which didn't help.

We all have opinions and that's a good thing.

The S2K is one of the few cars that I've owned that I never made a connection with. I've seen many people who just absolutely fall in love with the S2000 and I was just never able to. Not sure why even. Actually driving it to the Carolinas, having relaxed fun in the mountains, etc are my favorite memories of that car, sadly that's a long drive from where I live and not something I could do every weekend. If I lived in Asheville, etc then I'm not sure I would find a better car for the money (otherwise a Boxster Spyder).

The S2000 as a coupe instead of a roadster with a ton more steering feel (plus good aero instead of the brick-with-lift aero it has), oh and better rear suspension design, would be an absolutely fantastic car though

IMO anyways.

Thanks for clarifying. Much appreciated. I understand the car wasn't your cup of tea. I know how it is going into something with huge expectations and being let down. You really get a sense of disappointment which alters your view forever on the subject. Trust me, been there with a handful of motorcycles.

But yes, one thing I really wished for was a coupe version. Never really liked convertibles and still don't like them.

One thing I love about the FR-S is the feedback from the chassis. You understand what it's doing exactly on the road. Kudos to the engineers on the stock setup. I will say it makes it much easier to drive. One or two snap oversteers on my first S2000 back in the days would confirm this.

With that said they're really both driver's cars. That I'm sure we can all agree on.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by shyong

Someone sounds bitter. It's just really hard for me to take you seriously with the whole "no feel" barrage. When bulk of the cars listed on your profiles are Integras. I'm not insinuating you're making a comparison of the S2000 to your Integras. However, they must have the "feel" you're talking about since you own quite a few of them. So they must at least meet your criteria for good steering feel.

Yes, I've owned a Integra Type R too but I didn't think it's steering was any better or worse than the S2000's. This "feel" you speak of...what is it? When I think of non-responsive steering with very little feel, I think of cars like the Camry, Accord, Malibu, trucks, rental vehicles, etc.

In comparison to the FR-S, it isn't all that bad like you're making it out to be.

It's terrible in comparison. Every time I get in my s2k, I cringe at the steering feel.

In the S2k, if you understeer, you know you're understeering cuz the car stops responding to steering input.

In the FR-S/BRZ, you'll know when your're understeering because you'll FEEL it through the steering wheel, before you get to that terminal state of "oh, my steering wheel stopped working".

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

The Integra doesn't have great feel either. It was better than the S2000. By feel I mean communication, what the tires are doing, surface, etc. You get communication in the S2000 through the chassis, but not the steering. Again, the S2000 steering was responsive and precise, I never said it wasn't.

If you want to feel great steering feel go drive some old 911s, then drive the S2000 and it'll be obvious. Unfortunately during my S2000 days I spent a lot of time in a 911 RS America and an Elise which didn't help.

We all have opinions and that's a good thing.

The S2K is one of the few cars that I've owned that I never made a connection with. I've seen many people who just absolutely fall in love with the S2000 and I was just never able to. Not sure why even. Actually driving it to the Carolinas, having relaxed fun in the mountains, etc are my favorite memories of that car, sadly that's a long drive from where I live and not something I could do every weekend. If I lived in Asheville, etc then I'm not sure I would find a better car for the money (otherwise a Boxster Spyder).

The S2000 as a coupe instead of a roadster with a ton more steering feel (plus good aero instead of the brick-with-lift aero it has), oh and better rear suspension design, would be an absolutely fantastic car though

IMO anyways.

That's a feature, not a flaw

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

That's a feature, not a flaw

lol sure I'll go with that :happy0180:

[ZDan]

Rear suspension geometry issue (toe change with bump) was fixed in the '04+ AP2. Yours was an '06? So what was your problem with the rear suspension?

Probably down to more rear roll stiffness bias than most rwd cars have. Most who track S2ks bias roll stiffness more to the front (and usually run much wider front tires).

[iLuveKetchup]

^ ya, I like to run no rear bar (because of the torsen diff) with more rear camber (+) relative to the front.

[Evasive Motorsports]

O man what a debate haha

[FurY]

Originally Posted by Evasive Motorsports

O man what a debate haha

lol I was thinking the same thing... i'm sure you'd have a few things to say about both

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by FurY

lol I was thinking the same thing... i'm sure you'd have a few things to say about both

Well, considering Randy owns a S2k too....

See a trend here?

Well handling cars are a drug. Always looking for the next fix/more/better...

[FurY]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Well, considering Randy owns a S2k too....

See a trend here?

Well handling cars are a drug. Always looking for the next fix/more/better...

Truer words have never been spoken!

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by FurY

Truer words have never been spoken!

Not sure if you know who this is...

if not... this is your hint: 000279

[FurY]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Not sure if you know who this is...

if not... this is your hint: 000279

Haha I thought that might be you, I didn't know you by first name... only psychoazn

As you can see I registered on here late in '11 with the intent to get into a BRZ but ended up getting back into an S2K. However, my DD is starting to get long in the tooth so now I'm back to looking at the BRZ for DD duty and the S2K for the weekends/track. Still enjoying your BRZ? I'd definitely be interested in your feedback since we essentially own the same S and I'd be going down the same path as you.

[CSG Mike]

Ask away. Our BRZ is more modded than my s2k... which isn't saying much given my unimpressive mod list, but I have around 18k miles of seat time in the BRZ now.

I can probably answer virtually any question you have, and compare it to both a 06 sti and CR :p