Hooniverse tests the 2017 86

[Guru Woodman]

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[Mr.Impreza]

Oh sweet! Thanks for posting this! I like the reviews from Hooniverse!

~ Read the review ~
Good review for the most part but I don't agree about it not having enough power. Honestly...I test drove a Honda Fit with 130Hp and felt like that car had enough for daily driving.

But 200Hp is not?

For me, this car has plenty of enough power for daily driving and it doesn't get boring. My BMW 335I with 300Hp got boring. So I don't understand the logic behind these thoughts.

[Summerwolf]

While the two liter flat four will rev, it’s the velocity of how quickly it climbs the rev range that is the problem. Start a third gear pull at five grand, and it takes an eternity to approach the 7,000 rpm redline, also peak torque doesn’t occur until 6,400 rpm! While the 86 is fun to drive, and we did have fun on the drive on Highway 33 north of Ojai, California, to get anywhere, you really have to push the car HARD. Many will say that we miss the point of a light car and naturally aspirated engine, and you’d be 100% wrong. Momentum cars are fun, on the right roads, and the right tracks, but in the slog of everyday driving, the lack of power and more importantly torque in a usable range, becomes a turnoff to the ownership experience. If the 86 is a track car or a weekend fun car, maybe you get away with it, however, for 95% of the owners, this is their only car. An additional fifty horsepower and 100 torques would make this vehicle about perfect. There are enough people who have installed turbos or superchargers on the platform to know it can more than handle the additional power.






Actually a pretty well written article, but every single comment so far has focused on this.

[Da Brz]

Originally Posted by Mr.Impreza

Oh sweet! Thanks for posting this! I like the reviews from Hooniverse!

~ Read the review ~
Good review for the most part but I don't agree about it not having enough power. Honestly...I test drove a Honda Fit with 130Hp and felt like that car had enough for daily driving.

But 200Hp is not?

For me, this car has plenty of enough power for daily driving and it doesn't get boring. My BMW 335I with 300Hp got boring. So I don't understand the logic behind these thoughts.

I'll try to explain it to you and I'm not trying to be mean.


What they're really talking about is power delivery. Peak numbers don't tell the whole story. 200hp, IMO, would be fine in this car if a) it revved faster or peaked at a lower RPM and b) had more torque to back it up in the lower rev range.


So when people say "needs more power," sometimes they're not being clear enough. I test drove an ND before I bought my BRZ and the ND felt a HELL of a lot faster. It has 155hp. So, again, peak numbers don't always tell the tale.


By comparison, I have an 04 Mustang GT that only has 240hp. It can donut all day long and throw me back in the seat like the BRZ could only dream about. Why? The GT probably has 700 pounds on the BRZ. The reason is because the GT's got torque, a lot of it, and it's all down low.

Power delivery is what makes the difference. Peak numbers don't. And most people don't like the delivery of the power in the 86s.

[Mr.Impreza]

Originally Posted by Da Brz

I'll try to explain it to you and I'm not trying to be mean.


What they're really talking about is power delivery. Peak numbers don't tell the whole story. 200hp, IMO, would be fine in this car if a) it revved faster or peaked at a lower RPM and b) had more torque to back it up in the lower rev range.


So when people say "needs more power," sometimes they're not being clear enough. I test drove an ND before I bought my BRZ and the ND felt a HELL of a lot faster. It has 155hp. So, again, peak numbers don't always tell the tale.


By comparison, I have an 04 Mustang GT that only has 240hp. It can donut all day long and throw me back in the seat like the BRZ could only dream about. Why? The GT probably has 700 pounds on the BRZ. The reason is because the GT's got torque, a lot of it, and it's all down low.

Power delivery is what makes the difference. Peak numbers don't. And most people don't like the delivery of the power in the 86s.

Oh okay. I see what you mean. Good explanation!
Yeah TQ could be improved for city driving
But it's still fine as is in stock form for me.

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by Da Brz

By comparison, I have an 04 Mustang GT that only has 240hp. It can donut all day long and throw me back in the seat like the BRZ could only dream about. Why? The GT probably has 700 pounds on the BRZ. The reason is because the GT's got torque, a lot of it, and it's all down low.

Power delivery is what makes the difference. Peak numbers don't. And most people don't like the delivery of the power in the 86s.

Just think, in the "muscle car" world the 2V GTs are considered dogs.


They did mention in this article that the torque dip is alleviated, but on recent dyno plots it shows just as prevalent. Soooo, I'm not sure on that one.

[Da Brz]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

Just think, in the "muscle car" world the 2V GTs are considered dogs.

They really weren't fast even when they were new. I'd had an LS1 Trans Am before the GT. The old LS1s ate those things for breakfast.


I never cared though. I love the old fourth gen f-bodies, but the Mustang seemed to be built better and since it was a vert with the Mach1000 sound system, it was just more fun overall.

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by Da Brz

They really weren't fast even when they were new. I'd had an LS1 Trans Am before the GT. The old LS1s ate those things for breakfast.


I never cared though. I love the old fourth gen f-bodies, but the Mustang seemed to be built better and since it was a vert with the Mach1000 sound system, it was just more fun overall.

I think build quality in both isn't the best, but every mustang I've been around always has the door cards loose and the interior handles basically falling out.


Nothing like the 4th gen door card expansion when the window goes all the way down though, lol.

[Da Brz]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

I think build quality in both isn't the best, but every mustang I've been around always has the door cards loose and the interior handles basically falling out.


Nothing like the 4th gen door card expansion when the window goes all the way down though, lol.

With the fourth gens, it was the electrical stuff (especially in the Pontiacs) and some of the plastic pieces in the interior, like the seatbelt loop and the handle to put the seat back.


Threadjack over. Sorry!

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by Da Brz

With the fourth gens, it was the electrical stuff (especially in the Pontiacs) and some of the plastic pieces in the interior, like the seatbelt loop and the handle to put the seat back.


Threadjack over. Sorry!

T-Top leak....

[daiheadjai]

Hmmm.... The commenters at Hooniverse seem to get the car much more than the typical Motor Trend/Road & Track peanut gallery.

[DarkSunrise]

Same age-old debate as always. It can go on forever because there is no right answer. Just comes down to driver preference.

Some find it fun to keep the engine in the 4500-7400 RPM sweet spot. Others think it's annoying to have to downshift multiple gears. For anyone in the latter camp, there are plenty of other 2+2 coupes with more midrange punch. Mustang, Camaro, Challenger, Accord V6, Genesis Coupe, etc. No reason to limit yourself to the 86 when there is no shortage of alternatives that would better suit you.

To each his own.

[Lantana frs]

A good el header cures what everyone is complaining about. That notch in the torque band is all that people complain about. Get rid of that and they'll bitch about something else.

[DAEMANO]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

Same age-old debate as always. It can go on forever because there is no right answer. Just comes down to driver preference.

Some find it fun to keep the engine in the 4500-7400 RPM sweet spot. Others think it's annoying to have to downshift multiple gears. For anyone in the latter camp, there are plenty of other 2+2 coupes with more midrange punch. Mustang, Camaro, Challenger, Accord V6, Genesis Coupe, etc. No reason to limit yourself to the 86 when there is no shortage of alternatives that would better suit you.

To each his own.

I was just about to type the same thing. People that don't want to keep the car above 4500 RPM should either buy another car or invest in F.I.

This car isn't about instant gratification of a mid-range RPM shove in the back, rather the satisfaction that comes with learning to drive as a skill with a tool that is suited to the task. The 86 communicates, teaches and rewards. Both are viable ways to have fun. Stock, an 86 does it one way.