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Old 07-19-2018, 10:52 AM   #2955
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Not sure a high-side is technically a "lean".
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I nominate this thread for "epic" status. All this, based on four letters on a graphic.
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That's an awesome idea. Amazon delivers a complete, ready-to-go body and a parts catalog. When they get large-scale metal 3d printing figured out, an auto factory will be the size of a barn and have one dude running the show.

I'll just mention "Autofac" by P.K. D i c k first. Did you know the word "****" gets edited?
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Old 07-19-2018, 11:22 AM   #2957
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I have no doubt Toyota is making a Supra 4 and I don't doubt that Tada said what he said.

The quote was "please buy the four-cylinder. It will be cheaper."

This is probably the context it was in:
R&T: "so do you think people will buy the Supra and swap in a 2JZ?"
Tada: "If they do, please buy the four-cylinder. It will be cheaper."

The context it probably was not in:
R&T: "so why are you guys making a 4"
Tada: "because we know there will be people out there that want to swap in an old ass 750lbs 2JZ, so please buy the four-cylinder. It will be cheaper."

No way in hell is Toyota making a car just for engine swaps. Beside the 2JZ is crazy heavy (iron block). It would turn an already heavy car into an ultra heavy car.
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No, but website articles that attribute comments not made, edit answers to fit their own speculation or just outright misquote and make shit up do.
Notice that most of these articles do not show an actual question and answer interview but just state "Tada said"?
Are auto journalists really that sleazy? Sorry, I'm kind of new to car culture in general and am not familiar with the level of quality that gets put out by these publications. They talked to the chief engineer about these aero components and we shouldn't trust it because they don't have a complete and direct quote? What's the point of the journalist if we can't trust anything but official publications?
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Are auto journalists really that sleazy? Sorry, I'm kind of new to car culture in general and am not familiar with the level of quality that gets put out by these publications. They talked to the chief engineer about these aero components and we shouldn't trust it because they don't have a complete and direct quote? What's the point of the journalist if we can't trust anything but official publications?
It's a coin toss a lot of the time. This seems pretty clear cut though. If the Supra doesn't have a 4 cylinder option I'll be very surprised.
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OK, without conceding that Tada actually said there would be such a version, let's discuss the likelihood of it being released in North America if it is made. It would be a niche car of a niche car and people buying it to swap the engine would add yet an another level of niche to the equation. It certainly is not without precedent for there to be versions that just don't come here.
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While we’re having this discussion..are any of you actually planning to buy this new Supra? The TT i6 version is rumored to be around 55k-64k. If I ever get one, it will be in 5-6 years if I don’t do anything silly like get married or have kids I’m still learning things new things about the 86 anyways.


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No, but website articles that attribute comments not made, edit answers to fit their own speculation or just outright misquote and make shit up do.
Notice that most of these articles do not show an actual question and answer interview but just state "Tada said"?
Beats me. All I know is Tada was quoted saying he wants the Supra to compete with Porsches, and that it's okay for the Supra to not have a manual transmission option because only a few special Porsche sports cars are available with manuals. A statement that is 100% false. I feel like knowing your competition is pretty key for the head engineer, assuming those statements of his (from an interview posted in this very thread) are accurate.
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Are auto journalists really that sleazy? Sorry, I'm kind of new to car culture in general and am not familiar with the level of quality that gets put out by these publications. They talked to the chief engineer about these aero components and we shouldn't trust it because they don't have a complete and direct quote? What's the point of the journalist if we can't trust anything but official publications?
Often yes.
The alleged ZF sheet they posted has their watermark all over it as if it was something they dug up. The reality is thy just lifted it off a Supra forum with zero knowledge of it's original source.
Journalists are writing stories to make money. With the internet the first people to break a story get the most clicks and make the most money so the pressure is on to get something out there.
In this particular case my distrust is triggered by a couple of things. One is the shady act with the tranny document. The other is that they state that Tada made statements to their one reporter that have zero support anyplace else. Nobody, not one single other source (including articles written by their own people at the same time as this was released) supports the statement that was supposedly made. Was this one single guy the only person that has been told this? Does that seem real?
I will not say not to trust them but I personally have lost all faith in even the highest reputation sites. If they were to be believed we could run down and pick up a turbo 2016 BRZ today because ALL the sites said that both Toyota and Subaru top executives said they would be out by then.
Now... sometimes they get something right but that is more due to statistical probability than good detective work.
It is really just my cynicism at work but we will see who is right before long.
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OK, without conceding that Tada actually said there would be such a version, let's discuss the likelihood of it being released in North America if it is made. It would be a niche car of a niche car and people buying it to swap the engine would add yet an another level of niche to the equation. It certainly is not without precedent for there to be versions that just don't come here.
I think it's very likely that both a 4 cylinder and 6 cylinder option would be offered. The market for +40k cars is strong right now and there are a lot of people who would be able to afford a 40k supra who could not justify a +55k supra. The 4 cylinder version will help Toyota just like the 4 cylinder mustang helps Ford to justify the GT trim.
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Often yes.
The alleged ZF sheet they posted has their watermark all over it as if it was something they dug up. The reality is thy just lifted it off a Supra forum with zero knowledge of it's original source.
Journalists are writing stories to make money. With the internet the first people to break a story get the most clicks and make the most money so the pressure is on to get something out there.
In this particular case my distrust is triggered by a couple of things. One is the shady act with the tranny document. The other is that they state that Tada made statements to their one reporter that have zero support anyplace else. Nobody, not one single other source (including articles written by their own people at the same time as this was released) supports the statement that was supposedly made. Was this one single guy the only person that has been told this? Does that seem real?
I will not say not to trust them but I personally have lost all faith in even the highest reputation sites. If they were to be believed we could run down and pick up a turbo 2016 BRZ today because ALL the sites said that both Toyota and Subaru top executives said they would be out by then.
Now... sometimes they get something right but that is more due to statistical probability than good detective work.
It is really just my cynicism at work but we will see who is right before long.
Well damn. I've been pretty skeptical of most info, including that transmission document and whatever speculation is always around about the 86, but for some reason that article didn't trigger that because it seemed like a primary source. You're right, looking around I don't see any other publication reporting on the aero
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I think it's very likely that both a 4 cylinder and 6 cylinder option would be offered. The market for +40k cars is strong right now and there are a lot of people who would be able to afford a 40k supra who could not justify a +55k supra. The 4 cylinder version will help Toyota just like the 4 cylinder mustang helps Ford to justify the GT trim.
Not sure it would work the same with the Supra. The low level Mustangs sell better than the GTs by a huge margin because they appeal to "common" folks that just want a Mustang and do not care one little bit that there is a difference. The target market for the Supra is probably not going to be as easy to appease. It can be hard to remember that most of the population in the US knows exactly what a Mustang is but probably 99.9% of the drivers out there have no clue what a Supra was much less that it is coming back. Our perspective is skewed by being car guys. Look how limited the sales of the 86/BRZ have always been even since the start and it was marketed as the affordable sports car. Not sure there will be room for two versions of the Supra in the US.
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I thought the RC200t was Toyota's "4 cylinder Supra".
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New interview with chief engineer Tetsuya Tada on the Toyota Supra

From a real Toyota website, not Fake News...

http://blog.toyota.co.uk/new-toyota-...r-tetsuya-tada



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The first Supra model was produced in 1978, and 40 years later the hotly anticipated, all-new fifth-generation model has been revealed in prototype form. It’s been experienced dynamically at the famous Goodwood Festival of Speed hill course and showcased statically at a special invite-only event for Supra enthusiasts.

At all times, chief engineer Tetsuya Tada has proudly accompanied his ‘new baby’ and been eager to reveal tantalising glimpses into its development and specifications. The following is a transcript of our discussion together.

How long have you been working on the Supra project?
Tada: “Since 2012, so nearly seven years… a long time. The normal cycle for car development is around three years but with this project we wanted to make absolutely sure it was right.”

How does it feel to finally reveal the prototype after such an extended development programme?
Tada: “All I can say is that I’m just so happy that we’ve made it to this point. I’ve finally been able to reveal the car to the UK; it’s the happiest day of my life. And to drive it up the hill at Goodwood was a really exciting experience.”

You introduced the GT86 as your ‘passion project.’ Did the Supra project arouse similar feelings?
Tada: “Of course. It was imbued with a lot passion. Before the GT86 arrived, Toyota had not produced a sports car for a while, so there was a lot of ground to catch up. But for the Supra project we already had the experience from developing the GT86 and were able to start from a much higher level. This meant we were aiming for a much higher level in the finished car.”

Were you trying to create a big brother for the GT86?
Tada: “Akio [Toyoda] has always said that as a company he would like to have Three Brothers, with the GT86 in the middle and Supra as the big brother. So we’ve tried to aim for the Supra to offer an overwhelming superiority in all attributes. For example, people were happy that the GT86 had a very low centre of gravity… but the Supra has an even lower centre of gravity, and its body rigidity is twice that of the GT86.

“It’s actually the same level of rigidity as the Lexus LFA supercar, and it has been achieved without using carbon fibre so we could keep the price point at an affordable level. That was the most difficult thing to achieve. But I’m pleased we were successful because when I was sitting in the queue to go up the hill at Goodwood, I was surrounded by all these amazing supercars and thinking: ‘This is the cheapest car in the line by a long way – probably about a tenth of the price – but we got the biggest cheer!’

“The track width is also wider, of course. But it may surprise people to know that the new Supra has a shorter wheelbase than the GT86. The car was developed with a specific ratio of wheelbase and track in mind, and I think we’ve been able to achieve the balance that we were looking for.”

How do you think the new A90 will be received by hardcore Supra fans?
Tada: “I’m really looking forward to hearing from them, actually. Thinking back to the introduction of the GT86, some owners of classic AE86 models were quite hard to please and were very critical of the new car. So it may be similar with this car. I know there are hardcore owners of the previous generations out there and it may be hard to convince them just by introducing a new car.

“But I have an open stance and want to offer my respect for the older Supra models. In turn, I hope the owners will be open enough to see what the new model is all about, even if it takes them some time to fully accept it.”

As this is the fifth-generation Supra, can you give us five things that you would like Supra fans to know about the car?
Tada: “First of all, the Supra has always had an inline six-cylinder engine, and of course we have that with the new car, too. Secondly, all generations had a front-mounted engine and rear-wheel drive; that is also the same here.

“I think for number three I would like to point out its design. We’ve taken cues from the A80 [fourth-generation Supra] and, although the design is not the same, we carried elements over so that when people look at the new car they can tell immediately that it is a Supra.

“Number four is that if you look across the previous generations, each of them have been exciting in their own right and in their own era. We wanted to achieve the same thing with this new-generation car, and I believe that when it goes on sale next year it will be the most fun-to-drive car in its class.

“Looking at the current automotive industry, the talk is all about autonomous driving, electrification and artificial intelligence. What that’s doing is giving rise to a lot of strict regulations, and that limits our capacity to make emotional sports cars; it’s getting much more difficult to do that. So for the fifth point, I think the new Supra will be the last present from Toyota to those who enjoy hearing the pleasing sound of a pure petrol engine at high revs.

“Those are my five highlights, and I hope that people will be able to enjoy the new Supra for a long time to come. Perhaps in another 30 years we will be able to meet again and talk about how good it was.”
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