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Old 02-22-2020, 07:05 AM   #337
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It was on the street more than the track.
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Good write up. Is it too early to start the “If the 2nd gen is shit what do we get instead?” thread? I’ll keep my first gen and maybe add a WRX to the garage down the track... If your prediction is true. Maybe the first sign of the rot setting in was adding buttons to the steering wheel on the +17 models and beyond. Not a fan of that.
If you want to be really picky it started earlier than that when they started messing with the suspension in 15.
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Old 02-22-2020, 03:43 PM   #339
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It was on the street more than the track.
LOL, what a weapon, that thing hooked up.
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Old 02-22-2020, 04:33 PM   #340
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If you want to be really picky it started earlier than that when they started messing with the suspension in 15.
Suspension setup is the main reason I chose FR-S over the BRZ even though stylistically I liked the front end better on the BRZ. It's also the reason my FR-S is still on stock suspension... like the 2013 noticeably stiffer rear ratio with more playful nature... can't imagine liking the more neutral, 'buttoned down' tuning better. Thinking I will be going Bilstein B6 dampers with TRD springs - because it's about time for new dampers and would like a slight drop while keeping same stock like nature/balance of the car...
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Old 02-22-2020, 10:16 PM   #341
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Ah~ fakes vents... Love those ppl complain cuz you can't just pop it out and make it work, it must be fake. Even though it's been used by GRMN Supra to race in VLN 24hr races. You actually have to make it work, but well, it's not connected to anything and Toyota doesn't provide any parts, it must be for the "looks"... SMH I'll admit, door vents doesn't make sense, but I'm no engineer.
I am an engineer, and door vents don't make sense either, outside of that was the location that looked right from an 'artists' point of view. Looked good in clay I bet.
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Is it too early to start the “If the 2nd gen is shit what do we get instead?” thread?
for me, there aren't any newer options. i don't want a backup camera, or lane assist, or automatic braking, or steering wheel controls, and the car needs to be able to sit for a week without the radio installed(most won't).

i'm not even fully convinced that i want anything newer than '14, despite the information that '20 will be the last/best model year for this version. i don't want the dash screen of all of it.
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Old 02-23-2020, 01:05 AM   #343
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for me, there aren't any newer options.

Ya'know- I think I could manage.
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Old 02-23-2020, 01:20 AM   #344
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When I worked at a Toyota dealership back in 2005 as the used sales lot attendant I actually had the opportunity to drive both a used MR-2 Spyder and a used Porsche Boxster within the same week. Both were on the lot. The MR-2 Spyder was, to me, the clear winner. Watched enough Best Motoring to know that a 2ZZ swapped MR-2 Spyder would be no joke. It was a blast with just the 1ZZ. Stock, it was far more fun than the Boxster.
That's surprising. I drove a Boxster S after our Spyder got totalled. I thought the Boxster was like the MR2, but just better. I imagine a 2zz swap, new bushings and some coilovers would get the same feel out of an MR2 though
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I really hope you're wrong...

I guess we can get a 2021 if we have to replace our older cars.
How ironic would it be, if the next gen is looking like a turd, to have a late rush on the final MY of gen 1? It’s usually the opposite problem, when a new gen model is coming, especially for a sportscar, sales of the existing model decline hard because everyone is holding out for the new one, the latest and greatest, and no-one wants to buy the model about to be superseded. Bizarre to think that in 2021-22 buyers might actually be seeking out the last of gen I instead of a gen II.
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How ironic would it be, if the next gen is looking like a turd, to have a late rush on the final MY of gen 1? It’s usually the opposite problem, when a new gen model is coming, especially for a sportscar, sales of the existing model decline hard because everyone is holding out for the new one, the latest and greatest, and no-one wants to buy the model about to be superseded. Bizarre to think that in 2021-22 buyers might actually be seeking out the last of gen I instead of a gen II.
I'm not sure us enthusiasts account for enough of the car's buyer base to affect it significantly. I could be wrong though.

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I wonder if they will market Gen2 as heavily as they have the first gen. The only ads I hear for a Toyota in Portland are for the Celica.

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I'm not sure us enthusiasts account for enough of the car's buyer base to accept it significantly. I could be wrong though.
We're probably a rounding error. Small enough, it seems, to totally ignore us.
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If the rumored bloat - with the same power - is true, I have to ask the marketers: what buying segment and competitor's cars are you going after? Can't be the Miata/Twins 'real' sportscar crowd. The 4 Cyl. Mustang? The Z? The wives of the current Miata/Twins buyers? Who are you targeting to make you think you'll sell more cars? Do you think some Soccer Mom will buy one instead of Her Massive SUV Keeps That Her Precious Baby Safe From All Crashes (the original SUV marketing results)?
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