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Old 04-13-2019, 12:19 AM   #729
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If SOA is standing behind the details given by dealership # 2. Dealership # 1 should be fixing anything related to the excessive oil contamination/starvation due to the sealant.



The sealant is an issue related to this recall not the headgasket repair IMO. The actual head gasket repair would not really be a cause of any extra sealant to be used beyond the valve spring recall.



As for the issue with the head, if that is not covered under normal warranty, not sure you can expect either Subaru or the dealer to fix it unless there is a sign that parts/process of the valve spring recall would have caused it to fail.


Actually doing the head gaskets adds significantly more work with sealant. The cam subassemblies have to come of to remove the heads and they are loaded with sealant.
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Old 04-13-2019, 07:30 AM   #730
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Got the car back yesterday from getting a new short block post recall. So far so good.


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Old 04-13-2019, 04:44 PM   #731
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So many failures posted that it has made a ton of people not even dare to get the recall done. I am curious to know the actual percentage of successful services...
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Old 04-13-2019, 05:32 PM   #732
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So many failures posted that it has made a ton of people not even dare to get the recall done. I am curious to know the actual percentage of successful services...
I think the dealership that did mine, has done about 5 or 6 others, and mine is the only one with issues.
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Old 04-13-2019, 11:53 PM   #733
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I think the dealership that did mine, has done about 5 or 6 others, and mine is the only one with issues so far... according to the dealership.
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So many failures posted that it has made a ton of people not even dare to get the recall done. I am curious to know the actual percentage of successful services...
We have no idea of successes since happy people don't complain and rarely speak up.
Just for shits and giggles let's make some numbers up.
There are 2,5000 affected FA20s (there are no reports of failures in the other engines involved)
Take a worst case scenario that only 10% of them have been fixed. The number is probably far higher but lets keep it simple.
The google list published on here is a compilation of forum, Facebook and other media sites. It has about 50 reported failures.
So now we will say that this is only 10% of the failures (keeping it simple)
So now we are at 500 failures out of 2,500 cars repaired.
Now I know everybody is going to cry "bullshit there are more than that" but the "so many failures number is not as bad as it appears. Still more than should have happened but they have dealt with the sealant issue and we are simply not seeing the rash of them we did at the start. It is a sort of a glitch in the system whee the Google list does not included date of repair so we don't even know if most of the failures were before the updated instructions went out.
Personally, if I had to have it done, I would do it now while it is high enough profile that the dealers are going to ensure the work is done right. The early guys suffered through the lack of instruction and those that wait too long may get stung by the techs getting complacent again so this may be the sweet spot for getting it done right.
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Old 04-14-2019, 04:31 AM   #735
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Thanks to all this noise, the UK has only just started doing the recalls. Massive training programme has caused a delay in the start-up, TGB referencing the large number of failures so far in the USA and they don't want what's happening to happen here.
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We have no idea of successes since happy people don't complain and rarely speak up.
Just for shits and giggles let's make some numbers up.
There are 2,5000 affected FA20s (there are no reports of failures in the other engines involved)
Take a worst case scenario that only 10% of them have been fixed. The number is probably far higher but lets keep it simple.
The google list published on here is a compilation of forum, Facebook and other media sites. It has about 50 reported failures.
So now we will say that this is only 10% of the failures (keeping it simple)
So now we are at 500 failures out of 2,500 cars repaired.
Now I know everybody is going to cry "bullshit there are more than that" but the "so many failures number is not as bad as it appears. Still more than should have happened but they have dealt with the sealant issue and we are simply not seeing the rash of them we did at the start. It is a sort of a glitch in the system whee the Google list does not included date of repair so we don't even know if most of the failures were before the updated instructions went out.
Personally, if I had to have it done, I would do it now while it is high enough profile that the dealers are going to ensure the work is done right. The early guys suffered through the lack of instruction and those that wait too long may get stung by the techs getting complacent again so this may be the sweet spot for getting it done right.
And what % are of those without the recall performed and still driving it without issues?
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And what % are of those without the recall performed and still driving it without issues?
99.999999999%
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Old 04-14-2019, 11:08 AM   #738
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99.999999999%
Technically speaking if one died it'd be 99.99996

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No, according to what I see, because I'm in there checking on mine, and I take note of the BRZ's in the shop.
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Numbers we do know from nhtsa.gov: https://www.nhtsa.gov/recalls?nhtsaId=18V772
In the US the recall affects the 2012-2014 Subaru Impreza, 2013 XV Crosstrek, 2013 Subaru BRZ, and 2013 Toyota Scion FR-S vehicles. The potential number of units affected is 165,534. Of those 25,300 are Scion FR-S.

Chronology of Defect / Noncompliance Determination https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/201...8V772-0340.pdf
April 2012-Aug 2015:
"During this period, eleven technical reports related to stalling were reported from the U.S. Because of the limited number of reporting, Subaru continued to monitor the field for any changes and continued parts (engine) collection for additional analysis."
Aug 2015-Oct 2016:
"Three technical reports related to stalling was issued from the U.S. Due to the continued low number of reports, Subaru continued to monitor field data."

Of the 165,534 affected vehicles have there been more than 14 valve spring failures since Oct 2016?? If only 14 then the chance of a valve spring failure in the affected vehicles is 14/165534 x 100 = ~0.008%.
If true, I like those odds and I will not, at this time, be taking my FR-S in for the recall.

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And what % are of those without the recall performed and still driving it without issues?
Are you still agonizing over this?


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Old 04-14-2019, 06:33 PM   #742
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Just got my car back from the valve spring recall. I wasn't planning on having it done since I wasn't worried about the stock springs failing (they've survived 100k miles and several track days) but my cam carriers were leaking and it was much cheaper to have them resealed during the recall then as stand alone job. I did a lot of research when I first heard about the valve spring issues, and I honestly think people are making a bigger deal out of this then there needs to be. As stated above, the odds of failure are very small and the bad ones would likely have failed by now due to the age of the car. On the flip side most dealership techs are far more skilled then people give them credit for (I was a tech for 3 years) so the odds of your engine being destroyed after having the work done is also very slim. My advice would be to hold off on the recall until other major work is needed so you can save some cash. Odds are the vast majority of owners will experience no issues before or after the work is performed.
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