follow ft86club on our blog, twitter or facebook.
FT86CLUB
Ft86Club
Delicious Tuning
Register Garage Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Go Back   Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community - FT86CLUB > Technical Topics > Suspension | Chassis | Brakes -- Sponsored by 949 Racing

Suspension | Chassis | Brakes -- Sponsored by 949 Racing Relating to suspension, chassis, and brakes. Sponsored by 949 Racing.


User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 04-14-2012, 10:05 PM   #1
driver01
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Drives: brz 13
Location: Canada
Posts: 352
Thanks: 36
Thanked 140 Times in 45 Posts
Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
will the sti brembos fit fr-s/brz?

i have the chance of getting my hands on the brembo calipers from the sti, anybody know if these will fit?
driver01 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-14-2012, 10:13 PM   #2
Spaceywilly
ZC6A2B82KC7J
 
Spaceywilly's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Drives: 2002 WRX
Location: Providence, RI
Posts: 1,632
Thanks: 361
Thanked 727 Times in 236 Posts
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Nobody has the car yet to try it, but the brakes on the STI are on the back of the wheel and the brakes on the BRZ are on the front of the wheel so it seems unlikely. Also I don't think there's any chance the stock wheels will clear them so you'd need to pick up some 18s or 17s that clear the Brembos.
__________________

Straights are for fast cars. Turns are for fast drivers.
Spaceywilly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-14-2012, 10:20 PM   #3
Ranatsu
Cone basher
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Drives: 2017 Subaru BRZ Series.Yellow
Location: Dodgin cones in San Antonio, TX
Posts: 800
Thanks: 51
Thanked 256 Times in 169 Posts
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
i have a spare set so I can give it a shot once the car actually gets here.
Ranatsu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-14-2012, 11:45 PM   #4
old greg
Rocket Surgeon
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Drives: PSM GGA OMG
Location: FL
Posts: 1,312
Thanks: 10
Thanked 141 Times in 84 Posts
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Fit? Yes.

Work? Not really.
old greg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-14-2012, 11:47 PM   #5
blu_
Senior Member
 
blu_'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Drives: SWP BRZ LTD
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 889
Thanks: 637
Thanked 170 Times in 106 Posts
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by old greg View Post
Fit? Yes.

Work? Not really.
But wont they look cool?
blu_ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-16-2012, 09:02 AM   #6
Godzpeed
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Drives: Nissan GTR
Location: Hong Kong
Posts: 136
Thanks: 3
Thanked 21 Times in 10 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
any brakes can fit and work on any car with the right bridge
Godzpeed is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-16-2012, 10:05 AM   #7
Guff
Now w/ over 400 womprats!
 
Guff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Drives: BRZ LZR
Location: Texas/Illinois
Posts: 4,785
Thanks: 10,452
Thanked 3,420 Times in 1,424 Posts
Mentioned: 301 Post(s)
Tagged: 4 Thread(s)
Garage
Weren't the BRZ hubs from an 04 STi? Or was that disproven?

If they are, then you might have a decent chance at getting some 04 STi Brembos on there.
__________________
"Sweet Subaru, sweet Subaru, send your BRZ unto me, for the roads of the unworthy must be baptized in speed and glory."
- The Ancient BRZ Sacrament
by Zaku
Guff is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-16-2012, 10:59 AM   #8
Dave-ROR
Site Moderator
 
Dave-ROR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Drives: Stuff
Location: Florida
Posts: 10,317
Thanks: 955
Thanked 5,965 Times in 2,689 Posts
Mentioned: 262 Post(s)
Tagged: 8 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Godzpeed View Post
any brakes can fit and work on any car with the right bridge
Here's the problem, as has been explained on here many times already.

STI calipers are differential-bored. So the leading pistons are larger than the trailing pistons. When mounting on an STI, which has them mounted rearward of the axle, the leading piston is on the lower end of the caliper, and the bleeder is at the top. When you mount that to a BRZ, which has it's calipers mounted forward of the axleline, you have two options:
1. Keep the left caliper on the left side, and the right on the right.
2. Switch L to R and R to L.

The problem with option one is that the bleeder is at the bottom of the caliper, so you'll never get a good bleed.

The problem with option two is that the leading piston is now the small piston and the trailing is the large piston, so the brakes won't work as well as they should.

For those reasons, a post of "Work? Not really." is accurate. Will they technically work? Sure, will they work correctly or as well as they should? Not at all.

In any case, will they be an improvement on the street in terms of performance, absolutely not.

Feel, modulation, yes, but if you are an ABS braker, it'll stop just the same as stock brakes in the same distance given equal pads.
__________________
-Dave
Track cars: 2013 Scion FRS, 1998 Acura Integra Type-R, 1993 Honda Civic Hatchback
DD: 2005 Acura TSX
Tow: 2022 F-450
Toys: 2001 Chevrolet Corvette Z06, 1993 Toyota MR2 Turbo, 1994 Toyota MR2 Turbo, 1991 Mitsubishi Galant VR-4
Parts: 2015 Subaru BRZ Limited, 2005 Acura TSX
Projects: 2013 Subaru BRZ Limited track car build
FS: 2004 GMC Sierra 2500 LT CCSB 8.1/Allison with 99k miles
Dave-ROR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-16-2012, 11:00 AM   #9
Dave-ROR
Site Moderator
 
Dave-ROR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Drives: Stuff
Location: Florida
Posts: 10,317
Thanks: 955
Thanked 5,965 Times in 2,689 Posts
Mentioned: 262 Post(s)
Tagged: 8 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Guff View Post
Weren't the BRZ hubs from an 04 STi? Or was that disproven?

If they are, then you might have a decent chance at getting some 04 STi Brembos on there.
04 STI rotors would technically fit, I don't believe there was an indication that the hubs were 04 STi parts, unless those are the same as WRX. Not sure.
__________________
-Dave
Track cars: 2013 Scion FRS, 1998 Acura Integra Type-R, 1993 Honda Civic Hatchback
DD: 2005 Acura TSX
Tow: 2022 F-450
Toys: 2001 Chevrolet Corvette Z06, 1993 Toyota MR2 Turbo, 1994 Toyota MR2 Turbo, 1991 Mitsubishi Galant VR-4
Parts: 2015 Subaru BRZ Limited, 2005 Acura TSX
Projects: 2013 Subaru BRZ Limited track car build
FS: 2004 GMC Sierra 2500 LT CCSB 8.1/Allison with 99k miles
Dave-ROR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-16-2012, 11:50 AM   #10
Turbowned
Senior Member
 
Turbowned's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Drives: 2017 Subaru BRZ Perf Pack 6MT
Location: Colorado Springs
Posts: 5,048
Thanks: 1,949
Thanked 1,945 Times in 1,150 Posts
Mentioned: 27 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Garage
Import Tuner wrote an article saying they would swap over, and you could use a certain year STi front rotors with modified 08 rear rotors. Not sure what their source was.

I'm personally more interested in WRX 4pot/2pots. They'll clear 16" wheels, are aluminum and presumably cheaper than the Brembos to buy used. Anyone wanna speculate if those will fit?
__________________

Current: 2005 Porsche 911 Carrera S 6MT
Previous: 2 BRZ's, 997 C2S, C5 RS6, C4 S6, B8 S4, GDB STi, S30 240Z, FC3S RX-7 TII, AW11/SW20 MR2, E30 318is/325i, etc.
Turbowned is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-16-2012, 11:52 AM   #11
Godzpeed
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Drives: Nissan GTR
Location: Hong Kong
Posts: 136
Thanks: 3
Thanked 21 Times in 10 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave-ROR View Post
Here's the problem, as has been explained on here many times already.

STI calipers are differential-bored. So the leading pistons are larger than the trailing pistons. When mounting on an STI, which has them mounted rearward of the axle, the leading piston is on the lower end of the caliper, and the bleeder is at the top. When you mount that to a BRZ, which has it's calipers mounted forward of the axleline, you have two options:
1. Keep the left caliper on the left side, and the right on the right.
2. Switch L to R and R to L.

The problem with option one is that the bleeder is at the bottom of the caliper, so you'll never get a good bleed.

The problem with option two is that the leading piston is now the small piston and the trailing is the large piston, so the brakes won't work as well as they should.

For those reasons, a post of "Work? Not really." is accurate. Will they technically work? Sure, will they work correctly or as well as they should? Not at all.

In any case, will they be an improvement on the street in terms of performance, absolutely not.

Feel, modulation, yes, but if you are an ABS braker, it'll stop just the same as stock brakes in the same distance given equal pads.
they are still just the lotus calipers from Brembo, Nissan and Mitsubishi uses the same one in different locations
Godzpeed is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-16-2012, 12:22 PM   #12
Dave-ROR
Site Moderator
 
Dave-ROR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Drives: Stuff
Location: Florida
Posts: 10,317
Thanks: 955
Thanked 5,965 Times in 2,689 Posts
Mentioned: 262 Post(s)
Tagged: 8 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Godzpeed View Post
they are still just the lotus calipers from Brembo, Nissan and Mitsubishi uses the same one in different locations
How does that refute the obvious evidence that they won't work correctly in this application? The calipers should only be used with the bleeders up top and the larger piston at the leading edge. Every car with fixed differtial bored calipers are setup that way for good reasons.
__________________
-Dave
Track cars: 2013 Scion FRS, 1998 Acura Integra Type-R, 1993 Honda Civic Hatchback
DD: 2005 Acura TSX
Tow: 2022 F-450
Toys: 2001 Chevrolet Corvette Z06, 1993 Toyota MR2 Turbo, 1994 Toyota MR2 Turbo, 1991 Mitsubishi Galant VR-4
Parts: 2015 Subaru BRZ Limited, 2005 Acura TSX
Projects: 2013 Subaru BRZ Limited track car build
FS: 2004 GMC Sierra 2500 LT CCSB 8.1/Allison with 99k miles
Dave-ROR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-16-2012, 12:23 PM   #13
Dave-ROR
Site Moderator
 
Dave-ROR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Drives: Stuff
Location: Florida
Posts: 10,317
Thanks: 955
Thanked 5,965 Times in 2,689 Posts
Mentioned: 262 Post(s)
Tagged: 8 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Turbowned View Post
Import Tuner wrote an article saying they would swap over, and you could use a certain year STi front rotors with modified 08 rear rotors. Not sure what their source was.

I'm personally more interested in WRX 4pot/2pots. They'll clear 16" wheels, are aluminum and presumably cheaper than the Brembos to buy used. Anyone wanna speculate if those will fit?
They should fit and work fine once you switch them L to R and R to L. They are not differential bored so you just have to swap sides with them to keep the bleeder on top.
__________________
-Dave
Track cars: 2013 Scion FRS, 1998 Acura Integra Type-R, 1993 Honda Civic Hatchback
DD: 2005 Acura TSX
Tow: 2022 F-450
Toys: 2001 Chevrolet Corvette Z06, 1993 Toyota MR2 Turbo, 1994 Toyota MR2 Turbo, 1991 Mitsubishi Galant VR-4
Parts: 2015 Subaru BRZ Limited, 2005 Acura TSX
Projects: 2013 Subaru BRZ Limited track car build
FS: 2004 GMC Sierra 2500 LT CCSB 8.1/Allison with 99k miles
Dave-ROR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-16-2012, 12:35 PM   #14
old greg
Rocket Surgeon
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Drives: PSM GGA OMG
Location: FL
Posts: 1,312
Thanks: 10
Thanked 141 Times in 84 Posts
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave-ROR View Post
STI calipers are differential-bored. So the leading pistons are larger than the trailing pistons.
It's the other way around actually. There's normally more pressure/wear on the leading edge of the pad, so a larger trailing piston helps keep heat and wear evenly distributed across the pad face under hard braking.
old greg is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Those Brembos, fixed caliper? Or not? [Patent inside!] madfast Suspension | Chassis | Brakes -- Sponsored by 949 Racing 155 12-08-2011 02:06 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:08 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging v3.3.0 (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2024 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

Garage vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.