Dutch General Director of Toyota comments on price - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

Navi · 12-25-2011, 06:24 AM

In this movie, its dutch but:
http://www.autoweek.nl/video/2711/au...-86-40000-euro

The General Director of Toyota & Lexus Import in The Netherlands comments on the price of the GT86 and he says it will be around 40.000 euro's. (depending on emissions)

Hyundai Genesis Coupe 2.0 Turbo is 42.000 euro's here so do the math.

Peugeot RCZ - 1.6 turbo 200hp - starting 35.300
Hyundai Genesis Coupe - 2.0 turbo 230hp - starting 42.000
Renault Clio RS - 2.0 200hp - starting 30.000
Renault Megane RS - 2.0 turbo 250hp - starting 33.000

(we have mad car taxes here, but you can compare now.)

DommerEOD · 12-25-2011, 06:52 AM

40K euro?

That's pretty crazy.. that would be something like $53 or $54k in the states. Quite a lot for not so much.

Chibi86 · 12-25-2011, 06:59 AM

40 000 euros in Europe ? they are crazy !!!

My Celica 2ZZ was 29.000€ brand new in 2002, can't be true with the work made with Subaru to reduce cost developpement or I'll really hate Toyota for doing money on this car coz they said they'll not.

Clio RS is starting at 23 700€ in france, seems that is a little problem concerning the price hmmmmm

Navi · 12-25-2011, 07:02 AM

Yea dont focus too much on converting the euros to dollars because it does not work that way. We have a base price here, then we add VAT 19%, then we add something called BPM, which is a special tax only The Netherlands have based on emissions and stuff. (about 40% added on top of base price)

Makes cars mad expensive here, so your 22k ? USD genesis coupe costs 42k euros.

This way you can compare.

wrxesb · 12-25-2011, 07:32 AM

Well, i think this is good news...
because the genesis coupe 2.0T starting at 27000€ (in Germany), so if the GT 86 will be 2000€ less expensive than the Hyundai or for instance the Golf GTI, i will be more than happy

cheers

Lasse · 12-25-2011, 07:36 AM

Yep, european emission taxes sucks. Car prices are high here, especially powerful cars. Gt86 has one price advantage, it has low emission engine and better mileage than most of it's competitors. They are turboed and quite heavy, so their city mileage isn't great. And thats increase price. In finland, almost every hot hatch cost 40.000 euro. That's the price range i'm afraid.

Kunzite · 12-25-2011, 08:02 AM

I would just note that, in Romania (U.E.), the Genesis Coupe 2.0T is ~26700 euro, VAT included. There is still hope...

Levi · 12-25-2011, 08:50 AM

Impossible. However good the car is it can only be priced between the Clio RS and the Megane RS, so about 25.000 €. Otherwise this car is not affordable, and if it is not affordable, for this price I want CF chassis and 270 PS NA H4 with redline at 9.000 RPM.

Franzo · 12-25-2011, 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Navi

Yea dont focus too much on converting the euros to dollars because it does not work that way. We have a base price here, then we add VAT 19%, then we add something called BPM, which is a special tax only The Netherlands have based on emissions and stuff. (about 40% added on top of base price)

Makes cars mad expensive here, so your 22k ? USD genesis coupe costs 42k euros.

This way you can compare.

Thanks for clarifying, I was aware that the UK had some pretty high taxes for cars but didn't know the Netherlands did too. Sorry to hear you guys get screwed like that.

SUB-FT86 · 12-25-2011, 11:44 AM

So in the U.S it sounds like 22k-23k.

A Gomez · 12-25-2011, 06:36 PM

This is the first useful pricing information that has come out of a credible source. Thank you very much. Navi, as you point out, direct conversion using the currency exchange rate means nothing. Only the comparison with a benchmark (in this case, Hyundai Genesis Coupe) is relevant.

Snoopyalien24 · 12-25-2011, 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

So in the U.S it sounds like 22k-23k.

Once again my 21k -22k STANDS!!!

MrVito · 12-25-2011, 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snoopyalien24

Once again my 21k -22k STANDS!!!

I would LOVE it if you're right. Though sadly, I'm not counting on it.

nixeighty6 · 12-25-2011, 07:19 PM

thanks navi

it is the first credible source.. i wont be holding my breath either but right around the 2.0 genesis coupe is good for me, $22,225 base msrp.. also it stands with the other info that it will be "affordable" and under the Subaru. can't wait to have more credible sources

12-25-2011, 06:24 AM	#1
Navi Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Drives: Peugeot RCZ EP7 4E-FTE Ford ST150 Location: NL Posts: 92 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Dutch General Director of Toyota comments on price In this movie, its dutch but: http://www.autoweek.nl/video/2711/au...-86-40000-euro The General Director of Toyota & Lexus Import in The Netherlands comments on the price of the GT86 and he says it will be around 40.000 euro's. (depending on emissions) Hyundai Genesis Coupe 2.0 Turbo is 42.000 euro's here so do the math. Peugeot RCZ - 1.6 turbo 200hp - starting 35.300 Hyundai Genesis Coupe - 2.0 turbo 230hp - starting 42.000 Renault Clio RS - 2.0 200hp - starting 30.000 Renault Megane RS - 2.0 turbo 250hp - starting 33.000 (we have mad car taxes here, but you can compare now.) __________________ 1987 Corolla AE82 4AGTE - Sold 1988 Starlet EP71 4EFTE - Current 2008 Ford Fiesta ST150 - Current 2010 Peugeot RCZ - Current Visit: http://www.4agte.nl

12-25-2011, 06:59 AM	#3
Chibi86 Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Drives: GT 86 Tangerine Location: Strasbourg France Posts: 49 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 4 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	40 000 euros in Europe ? they are crazy !!! My Celica 2ZZ was 29.000€ brand new in 2002, can't be true with the work made with Subaru to reduce cost developpement or I'll really hate Toyota for doing money on this car coz they said they'll not. Clio RS is starting at 23 700€ in france, seems that is a little problem concerning the price hmmmmm __________________ If you're scared, then you can't be the Winner...

12-25-2011, 07:02 AM	#4
Navi Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Drives: Peugeot RCZ EP7 4E-FTE Ford ST150 Location: NL Posts: 92 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Yea dont focus too much on converting the euros to dollars because it does not work that way. We have a base price here, then we add VAT 19%, then we add something called BPM, which is a special tax only The Netherlands have based on emissions and stuff. (about 40% added on top of base price) Makes cars mad expensive here, so your 22k ? USD genesis coupe costs 42k euros. This way you can compare. __________________ 1987 Corolla AE82 4AGTE - Sold 1988 Starlet EP71 4EFTE - Current 2008 Ford Fiesta ST150 - Current 2010 Peugeot RCZ - Current Visit: http://www.4agte.nl

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12-25-2011, 06:52 AM	#2
DommerEOD I'm a Carcissist Join Date: Nov 2011 Drives: JERRV , 11 STI, 07 FJ Location: SoCal/Germany/Afghanistan Posts: 166 Thanks: 14 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	40K euro? That's pretty crazy.. that would be something like $53 or $54k in the states. Quite a lot for not so much.

12-25-2011, 07:32 AM	#5
wrxesb Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Drives: Subaru Impreza Wrx Location: Germany Posts: 24 Thanks: 24 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Well, i think this is good news... because the genesis coupe 2.0T starting at 27000€ (in Germany), so if the GT 86 will be 2000€ less expensive than the Hyundai or for instance the Golf GTI, i will be more than happy cheers

12-25-2011, 07:36 AM	#6
Lasse Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Drives: Avensis 2.2 diesel Location: Finland Posts: 182 Thanks: 54 Thanked 16 Times in 13 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Yep, european emission taxes sucks. Car prices are high here, especially powerful cars. Gt86 has one price advantage, it has low emission engine and better mileage than most of it's competitors. They are turboed and quite heavy, so their city mileage isn't great. And thats increase price. In finland, almost every hot hatch cost 40.000 euro. That's the price range i'm afraid.

12-25-2011, 08:02 AM	#7
Kunzite Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Drives: Toyota Auris Location: Romania Posts: 205 Thanks: 26 Thanked 16 Times in 11 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I would just note that, in Romania (U.E.), the Genesis Coupe 2.0T is ~26700 euro, VAT included. There is still hope...

12-25-2011, 08:50 AM	#8
Levi Senior Member Join Date: May 2011 Drives: Toyota Location: Germany Posts: 1,202 Thanks: 134 Thanked 138 Times in 90 Posts Mentioned: 5 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Impossible. However good the car is it can only be priced between the Clio RS and the Megane RS, so about 25.000 €. Otherwise this car is not affordable, and if it is not affordable, for this price I want CF chassis and 270 PS NA H4 with redline at 9.000 RPM.

12-25-2011, 11:44 AM	#10
SUB-FT86 86 Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Drives: 2013 Toyota 86 2.0T (Asphalt) Location: Atlanta, Ga Posts: 3,129 Thanks: 126 Thanked 527 Times in 296 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	So in the U.S it sounds like 22k-23k.

12-25-2011, 06:36 PM	#11
A Gomez Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Drives: Celica Location: USA Posts: 143 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	This is the first useful pricing information that has come out of a credible source. Thank you very much. Navi, as you point out, direct conversion using the currency exchange rate means nothing. Only the comparison with a benchmark (in this case, Hyundai Genesis Coupe) is relevant.

12-25-2011, 07:19 PM	#14
nixeighty6 Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Drives: Faster than you! Location: Harrisburg PA USA Posts: 61 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	thanks navi it is the first credible source.. i wont be holding my breath either but right around the 2.0 genesis coupe is good for me, $22,225 base msrp.. also it stands with the other info that it will be "affordable" and under the Subaru. can't wait to have more credible sources

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