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Old 09-05-2018, 08:44 AM   #47895
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High AF? Seems dangerous.
With tight jeans? Seems uncomfortable.
With skinny male models? Seems fabulous.
Without a vehicle? Seems dubious.

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Oh it is feasible.


Once.
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Oh it is feasible. Once.

You can have the opportunity to do it twice, but I'm not sure I'd recommend it, the odds aren't with you.
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Old 09-05-2018, 09:26 AM   #47897
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The statistics are pretty readily available, the difficulty comes with trying to compare it "cross platform" like autos to planes. It is also more difficult because "general aviation" covers a broad spectrum of flying types from ultralights to corporate jets. This AOPA report based on NTSB statistics comes closest, but it deals with raw numbers and does not talk about the flights that did not end in accident or death.

In the end, single engine private planes are more dangerous than cars, in much the same way that motorcycles are more dangerous than cars, but I do not believe it is a magnitude more dangerous.

The one place where planes differ is a lot of accidental deaths are a result of either running out of fuel or flying into conditions you are not capable of handling. Both of those are almost entirely preventable.

At least to me, it all boils down to flying being less forgiving of human error.
85% (I made that statistic up) of all aircraft accidents are pilot error. The majority of them are fatal. The errors due to mechanical the pilot just lands the aircraft the large majority of the time. Pilot unemployment right now is like 2%... I'm interested to see how that going to effect the commercial statistics.

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I'm sitting at a ramen restaurant in Kyoto and I'm watching a TV that shows the devastation Typhoon Jebi has caused in Osaka.

@ichitaka05 Do you have folks over in the affected regions?
Thanks for the info. Most of my fams lives in Southern part of Japan. (Kyushu & Okinawa) iirc my dad lives in Tokyo, but I don’t really contact him much so

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So a hippie cult of good-looking men with terrible fashion sense jumps out of plane?

How many clicks do you think I could get out of that headline?
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Old 09-05-2018, 10:30 AM   #47901
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85% (I made that statistic up) of all aircraft accidents are pilot error. The majority of them are fatal. The errors due to mechanical the pilot just lands the aircraft the large majority of the time. Pilot unemployment right now is like 2%... I'm interested to see how that going to effect the commercial statistics.
I think you are close on the pilot error stat (seems like its more around 75% as I recall). Sometimes Pilot Error is used as a scapegoat though.

Most accidents are not fatal though. From the report I quoted above:
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I think you are close on the pilot error stat (seems like its more around 75% as I recall). Sometimes Pilot Error is used as a scapegoat though.

Most accidents are not fatal though. From the report I quoted above:
I meant most pilot error accidents usually are, mechanicals are usually not.

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So a hippie cult of good-looking men with terrible fashion sense jumps out of plane?

How many clicks do you think I could get out of that headline?
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I think you are close on the pilot error stat (seems like its more around 75% as I recall). Sometimes Pilot Error is used as a scapegoat though.

Most accidents are not fatal though. From the report I quoted above:
I presume these include such things as skidding off a runway at low speed, non severe bird strikes, hitting objects while taxing, or other such non flight related occurrences? Pretty much everything must be reported I assume.
That would really skew the stats when comparing against cars where such minor (relative to the possibilities) incidents are not recorded.
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I presume these include such things as skidding off a runway at low speed, non severe bird strikes, hitting objects while taxing, or other such non flight related occurrences? Pretty much everything must be reported I assume.
That would really skew the stats when comparing against cars where such minor (relative to the possibilities) incidents are not recorded.
We also have separate definitions for 'incidents' and 'accidents.' Accidents being the more serious. Many of the things you described would be under incidents. Although I don't know if these stats are using the term accident interchangeably with incident...

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We also have separate definitions for 'incidents' and 'accidents.' Accidents being the more serious. Many of the things you described would be under incidents. Although I don't know if these stats are using the term accident interchangeably with incident...

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We also have separate definitions for 'incidents' and 'accidents.' Accidents being the more serious. Many of the things you described would be under incidents. Although I don't know if these stats are using the term accident interchangeably with incident...
My understanding is this covers accidents, which qualify as the more serious type as @p1l0t points out, and usually involve some aspect of flight.


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I meant most pilot error accidents usually are, mechanicals are usually not.
And that's where it gets sticky. A fatal crash resulting from a pilot attempting to make an engine out landing could be classified as a "pilot error" if the pilot makes a decision that takes a survivable accident and turns it into a fatal accident, even though the pilot would not have made the error had the engine not failed.

The pilot error is not the root cause of the accident, but it is the root cause of the fatality.
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