Fish Tailing - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

kchkwan · 01-23-2013, 07:17 PM

I unno if its my being too aggressive during traffic or some sort or the tires are just crap...

i'm running those stock primacy tires, i was stuck in traffic and the roads are dry, maybe a lot of salt on the ground. Green light, i stepped on it to pass the slow ass car in front me

. I was on the left lane behind the slow poke, switched to right lane really fast, accelerate pass the car, switch left lane after I passed his front, then BAMB! the rear flew out! i went into four consecutive fish tails. At the time I had my VSC sport on, passing the vehicle at 60-70km/hr. WTH... why is it so easy to throw the tail out on a simple lane change?!?

Is it the weight? the tires? or me?

infinite012 · 01-23-2013, 07:19 PM

Light weight and eco tires = spinning tires

Dave-ROR · 01-23-2013, 07:23 PM

Sounds like driver error to me.

SubieNate · 01-23-2013, 07:23 PM

Hmmm... haven't experienced anything remotely like that. Maybe be a bit gentler with her.

Or your roads are REALLY dirty. In which case ^^ still applies.

kchkwan · 01-23-2013, 07:25 PM

well toronto roads are the shittiest "paved" roads u can possibly get imo... pot holes, lumps, cracks... anything u can think of... but i'm not gonna go bac and exam wtf was on the road lol... im just putting greater emphasis on these three factors

jamies31 · 01-23-2013, 07:31 PM

throw a couple bags of salt or sand in the back will do wonders for traction, i know my drive to work was scary before i did, give you a stiffer suspension as well

wheelhaus · 01-23-2013, 07:32 PM

Yeah sounds like you're being too aggressive between throttle, steering, and weight transfer. The stock tires are certainly not R-comps, but they aren't complete garbage; still get surprising grip when loaded properly. They're still normal passenger car tires.

kchkwan · 01-23-2013, 07:39 PM

hmmm, i guess... though i think added weight n new tires is necessary for me, considering the fact i enjoy cutting lanes at nite. the crap part was that i didn't stomp the throttle. i was on 3rd gear, started releasing the throttle as i passed him so i don't go 20kms over speed limit lol... im so lost on wut happened... luckily i caught enuff traction to reverse the slip and bac on track.

chenshuo · 01-23-2013, 07:41 PM

Toronto is -18C these days, your summer rubber is going to be like circular bricks. OF COURSE you'll have less traction.
It's like you walk in the snow bare feet and asking "why are my feet so cold?"

Subie · 01-23-2013, 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

Sounds like driver error to me.

This

Quote:

Originally Posted by chenshuo

Toronto is -18C these days, your summer rubber is going to be like circular bricks. OF COURSE you'll have less traction.
It's like you walk in the snow bare feet and asking "why are my feet so cold?"

and this.

Driver error all the way.

UltraFRS · 01-23-2013, 07:58 PM

Why have sport mode on??? With the aggressive driving the rear will kick out. Leave all the aids on when the conditions arent the greatest.

kchkwan · 01-23-2013, 08:03 PM

i usually leave the sport mode on cuz i find the clutch less jerky after release, feels smoother. I agree, i didn't consider the weather condition cuz it was fine all day. i think i should slap on winters soon and just get the grip i need.

Burrcold · 01-23-2013, 08:10 PM

I can't believe you are running the stock summer tires in this weather. It doesn't matter if there's no snow on the ground, the temperatures alone will render the tires basically useless.

For the love of everyone else on the road, get winter tires!!!

kchkwan · 01-23-2013, 08:16 PM

maa bad haha, i wasn't suppose to drive the brz today, the other car wasn't in my garage when i left the house :/

01-23-2013, 07:17 PM	#1
kchkwan Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Drives: Subaru BRZ Location: Toronto Posts: 118 Thanks: 4 Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Fish Tailing I unno if its my being too aggressive during traffic or some sort or the tires are just crap... i'm running those stock primacy tires, i was stuck in traffic and the roads are dry, maybe a lot of salt on the ground. Green light, i stepped on it to pass the slow ass car in front me. I was on the left lane behind the slow poke, switched to right lane really fast, accelerate pass the car, switch left lane after I passed his front, then BAMB! the rear flew out! i went into four consecutive fish tails. At the time I had my VSC sport on, passing the vehicle at 60-70km/hr. WTH... why is it so easy to throw the tail out on a simple lane change?!? Is it the weight? the tires? or me?

01-23-2013, 07:23 PM	#3
Dave-ROR Site Moderator Join Date: Dec 2010 Drives: Stuff Location: Florida Posts: 10,317 Thanks: 955 Thanked 5,965 Times in 2,689 Posts Mentioned: 262 Post(s) Tagged: 8 Thread(s)	Sounds like driver error to me. __________________ -Dave Track cars: 2013 Scion FRS, 1998 Acura Integra Type-R, 1993 Honda Civic Hatchback DD: 2005 Acura TSX Tow: 2022 F-450 Toys: 2001 Chevrolet Corvette Z06, 1993 Toyota MR2 Turbo, 1994 Toyota MR2 Turbo, 1991 Mitsubishi Galant VR-4 Parts: 2015 Subaru BRZ Limited, 2005 Acura TSX Projects: 2013 Subaru BRZ Limited track car build FS: 2004 GMC Sierra 2500 LT CCSB 8.1/Allison with 99k miles

01-23-2013, 08:10 PM	#13
Burrcold Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Drives: Subaru BRZ Limited Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 2,624 Thanks: 763 Thanked 1,586 Times in 776 Posts Mentioned: 10 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I can't believe you are running the stock summer tires in this weather. It doesn't matter if there's no snow on the ground, the temperatures alone will render the tires basically useless. For the love of everyone else on the road, get winter tires!!! __________________

01-23-2013, 07:19 PM	#2
infinite012 Banned Join Date: Jan 2013 Drives: 13 DGM BRZ Ltd Location: Williamsburg, VA Posts: 974 Thanks: 294 Thanked 470 Times in 255 Posts Mentioned: 17 Post(s) Tagged: 4 Thread(s)	Light weight and eco tires = spinning tires

01-23-2013, 07:23 PM	#4
SubieNate Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Drives: 2013 FR-S Ultramarine Location: Temecula, CA Posts: 959 Thanks: 288 Thanked 560 Times in 269 Posts Mentioned: 6 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Hmmm... haven't experienced anything remotely like that. Maybe be a bit gentler with her. Or your roads are REALLY dirty. In which case ^^ still applies.

01-23-2013, 07:25 PM	#5
kchkwan Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Drives: Subaru BRZ Location: Toronto Posts: 118 Thanks: 4 Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	well toronto roads are the shittiest "paved" roads u can possibly get imo... pot holes, lumps, cracks... anything u can think of... but i'm not gonna go bac and exam wtf was on the road lol... im just putting greater emphasis on these three factors

01-23-2013, 07:32 PM	#7
wheelhaus Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: 2013 BRZ, 2020 KTM Super Duke 1290R Location: Denver Posts: 1,788 Thanks: 714 Thanked 1,141 Times in 624 Posts Mentioned: 49 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	Yeah sounds like you're being too aggressive between throttle, steering, and weight transfer. The stock tires are certainly not R-comps, but they aren't complete garbage; still get surprising grip when loaded properly. They're still normal passenger car tires.

01-23-2013, 07:39 PM	#8
kchkwan Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Drives: Subaru BRZ Location: Toronto Posts: 118 Thanks: 4 Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	hmmm, i guess... though i think added weight n new tires is necessary for me, considering the fact i enjoy cutting lanes at nite. the crap part was that i didn't stomp the throttle. i was on 3rd gear, started releasing the throttle as i passed him so i don't go 20kms over speed limit lol... im so lost on wut happened... luckily i caught enuff traction to reverse the slip and bac on track.

01-23-2013, 07:41 PM	#9
chenshuo Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Drives: WRB BRZ Location: Toronto Posts: 1,260 Thanks: 259 Thanked 473 Times in 245 Posts Mentioned: 8 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Toronto is -18C these days, your summer rubber is going to be like circular bricks. OF COURSE you'll have less traction. It's like you walk in the snow bare feet and asking "why are my feet so cold?"

01-23-2013, 07:58 PM	#11
UltraFRS Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Drives: FR-S Location: TX Posts: 152 Thanks: 24 Thanked 113 Times in 55 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Why have sport mode on??? With the aggressive driving the rear will kick out. Leave all the aids on when the conditions arent the greatest.

01-23-2013, 08:03 PM	#12
kchkwan Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Drives: Subaru BRZ Location: Toronto Posts: 118 Thanks: 4 Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	i usually leave the sport mode on cuz i find the clutch less jerky after release, feels smoother. I agree, i didn't consider the weather condition cuz it was fine all day. i think i should slap on winters soon and just get the grip i need.

01-23-2013, 08:16 PM	#14
kchkwan Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Drives: Subaru BRZ Location: Toronto Posts: 118 Thanks: 4 Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	maa bad haha, i wasn't suppose to drive the brz today, the other car wasn't in my garage when i left the house :/

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