First test drive. Feeling disappointed.

[86MLR]

I'm not saying a modified car is inherently unreliable, BUT, when you add a 30% power hike over stock you are putting all the oily bits further out of their comfort zone.

30% increase over stock on unopened engine = IMO acceptable risk

Oh, and I don't go easy on my cars, I'm a classic old hoon, lots of LC, FFS, sliding around corners, nearly every day, I accept the risk because it's fun.

I do know that at any stage my block may get a bay window or my gearbox might lunch itself.

This could, and does, happen to a stock engine, for me, right now, I'm working the powertrain 30% more, cause and effect.

Opinions, as well as acceptable risk, may vary

[nikitopo]

Who said on adding a 30% power? You cannot do this on a NA build. On the other hand, a combination of NA mods and lightweighting can give you enough and in a reasonable safe way. If someone builds just to get a number on a dyno, I am sure that he'll not be satisfied at all. Many of the NA mods and lightweighting will not show on a dyno, but on the street it is a different story!

[86MLR]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

Who said on adding a 30% power? You cannot do this on a NA build. On the other hand, a combination of NA mods and lightweighting can give you enough and in a reasonable safe way. If someone builds just to get a number on a dyno, I am sure that he'll not be satisfied at all. Many of the NA mods and lightweighting will not show on a dyno, but on the street it is a different story!

30% gain NA is only some cheap bolt on parts and a very good tuner away.

These are typical gains for typical modifications here in AU.

Typical untuned = 110-115kwatw, (mine 115)
Tuned with cheap fruit = 148kwatw (198hpatw)

Sorry, 28% gain over stock

The biggest mistake people make when it comes to adding power is their choice of tuner.

A poor or average tuner, using quality parts, will still give you a poor tune

A tuner, with years of experience in building/tuning/racing at the pointy end of Australian motorsport is easily worth the extra outlay.

Clink the link in my signature for build thread if your interested.

I'm happy to discuss further into the how's and why's of my choices.

Keep it in my thread though so we don't clutter up this one.

[nikitopo]

You cannot get a 28% gain just with an air filter, a catback, an overpipe and a tune. A tuner saying that he can provide that much mainly with the tune is not respecting himself and his customer. Especially on a '17 car it is really sci-fi. Sorry.

[86MLR]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

You cannot get a 28% gain just with an air filter, a catback, an overpipe and a tune. A tuner saying that he can provide that much mainly with the tune is not respecting himself and his customer. Especially on a '17 car it is really sci-fi. Sorry.

Cool story, I'm sure your experience at building and tuning race cars can back up "your" claims.

Strangely it seems alot of the big shops are able to achieve this, not just here in AU, but also the UK.

Hell, the cars in the T86RS are able to scratch out even more.

I guess the best and most respected tuners in AU and the UK who are building and tuning these cars are doing it wrong.

Thanks for your valuable insite into tuning, remind me to ignore everything you say.

[nikitopo]

As I said already, an increase of 44whp on a '17 MT car with simple NA mods and without opening the engine is purely sci-fi. Earlier models had a bigger potential, but I cannot recall seeing anything that much. Trying to hold back the stock tune and then presenting an exaggerated final dyno result doesn't mean anything and it is basically cheating. It is not about "my" claims, but what we have seen in this forum and by talking or working with respectable companies.

Yes sure ignore me. It looks that you are scared. :b

[86MLR]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

As It is not about "my" claims, but what we have seen in this forum and by talking or working with respectable companies.

Yes sure ignore me. It looks that you are scared. :b

This forum

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53946

And the above link is with a OFT with a OTS tune, unless they are wrong and you are right.

You want more, here's another..LOL

https://www.fensport.co.uk/parts/toy...om-and-4-maps/

Unless they are wrong and you are right.

https://pulseracing.com.au/toyota-86...ance-packages/

Unless they are wrong and you are right.



I can go on, but you bore me with your lack of knowledge and your inability to do proper research.

Scared, how old are you

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by 86MLR

This forum

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53946

And the above link is with a OFT with a OTS tune, unless they are wrong and you are right.

You want more, here's another..LOL

Yeah sure. Gain on this link was 32whp on an early model car which had much more potential and most importantly on E85 fuel. I didn't see anything mentioned on your build about using E85 and still you are far from the 44whp target. I don't even need to check the rest of the links.

I don't have anything with you. I just don't like seeing bs mentioned especially to people wanting to evaluate the platform.

Back to the topic please!

[86MLR]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

Yeah sure. Gain on this link was 32whp on an early model car which had much more potential and most importantly on E85 fuel. I didn't see anything mentioned on your build about using E85 and still you are far from the 44whp target. I don't even need to check the rest of the links.

I don't have anything with you. I just don't like seeing bs mentioned especially to people wanting to evaluate the platform.

Back to the topic please!

LOL, nope, no E85, 98 RON

Flex fuel is not in the picture currently, later maybe for a extra 5-10%, maybe.


210-215hpatw should be easily achievable on E85.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57270

That would be getting close to the Nm rating of the aisin (250Nm), but still an acceptable risk when you add in the aisin safety (fudge) factor.

[86MLR]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

Yeah sure. Gain on this link was 32whp on an early model car which had much more potential and most importantly on E85 fuel. I didn't see anything mentioned on your build about using E85 and still you are far from the 44whp target. I don't even need to check the rest of the links.

I don't have anything with you. I just don't like seeing bs mentioned especially to people wanting to evaluate the platform.

Back to the topic please!

Harrop 117kw (157hp) base line



I don't have anything with you. I just don't like seeing bs mentioned especially to people wanting to evaluate the platform.

[imprezive]

Originally Posted by 86MLR

I don't have anything with you. I just don't like seeing bs mentioned especially to people wanting to evaluate the platform.

Based on my research, a 30% increase is way beyond the "standard"bolt-ons I plan on pursuing, especially since I'll be staying on 93 octane. Peak HP isn't really my top concern either. A 15% increase in torque in the midrange seems reasonable, achievable, noticable, and likely sufficient for me.

[86TOYO2k17]

The most % difference over stock you could see NA without opening engine. Would be a 160whp baseline on 91, then doing full bolt ons I/H/E no cats custom tune on E85 and you could get 200whp. A 25% increase overstock max, and partly inflated bcs of starting octane and switching to E85 which alone would account for about 15whp in this scenario.

With good quality 93, you could expect to see something along the lines of 168whp baseline to 193whp after full bolt ons / tune a 15% increase. Obviously all dynos vary drastically. But percentage difference should be similar.

[Lantanafrs2]

Theres never enough power...until you get tired of it

[jflogerzi]

Originally Posted by imprezive

That was my understanding. I'm optimistic that this will satisfy me....but you're right. It may just make me crave more power.

We have good 93 octane around here. I don't really want to mess with E85.



Since reliability is something you've obviously considered, curious why you lean more towards TC vs SC? Of all the FI kits, I was most interested in the Jackson SC. Figured I could even get a larger pulley to reduce the boost for longevity's sake.

The 10k "wish list" looks something like:

OF Header
Invida over, mid, Q300
Takeda intake
Custom 93 octane tune
18x8 wheels w/ Michelin SuperSports
JDM under-aero
RCE Yellows with Bilstein B6s

You don't want JR SC style due to low end rpm driving is almost the same. I hate to say it but you would love a roots style super charger. If this is DD only a sprintex kit would be perfect

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