2017 Toyota 86 - new name, styling, and more power

[trueno86power]

Man, Toyota is stupid in Canada...

I've check the price for the Scion FR-S in 2016 VS the new 86.

*All the price are with prep without taxes.

Scion FR-S 28 413$
Toyota 86 31 535$
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Diff of 3120 $ !?!?!

In Canada, the price of the base Subaru BRZ is 29 760$. At that price you got the rear spoiler (Installed on all model over here) and the GPS !??! If you take a Sport Tech (your Limited), it's only 200$ more than a 86 and you got the push start/key less/bi-zone hvac/GPS/Fog light/Alcantera-Leather interior etc etc...

I've emailed Toyota... Let's see...

I really hope they made a mistake or my next ZN6 will wear some stars....

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by new2subaru

The red accents and stitching is gone?

Yes. The stitching is silver now.

Originally Posted by trueno86power

Man, Toyota is stupid in Canada...

I've check the price for the Scion FR-S in 2016 VS the new 86.

*All the price are with prep without taxes.

Scion FR-S 28 413$
Toyota 86 31 535$
----------------------
Diff of 3120 $ !?!?!

In Canada, the price of the base Subaru BRZ is 29 760$. At that price you got the rear spoiler (Installed on all model over here) and the GPS !??! If you take a Sport Tech (your Limited), it's only 200$ more than a 86 and you got the push start/key less/bi-zone hvac/GPS/Fog light/Alcantera-Leather interior etc etc...

I've emailed Toyota... Let's see...

I really hope they made a mistake or my next ZN6 will wear some stars....

Where are you guys finding all these high MSRPs? All I can find is the $27K one. Since most of the dealers in Ontario were selling the 13s to 15s for $28K to $29K I don't see this $2K to $3K jump everybody keeps talking about. I am obviously missing something someplace.

[nico_rsx]

@Tcoat
Not sure where you see the 27K$
If you build the car, the MSRP is 29580$ before the 1700$ prep.


Maybe they left a lot of room for negotiation, else they are not going to sell many. Toyota interest rate are a little lower than Subaru, but not by much.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by nico_rsx

@Tcoat
Not sure where you see the 27K$
If you build the car, the MSRP is 29580$ before the 1700$ prep.


Maybe they left a lot of room for negotiation, else they are not going to sell many. Toyota interest rate are a little lower than Subaru, but not by much.

OK found where I was going wrong!


Yikes, that is a hell of a jump in the MSRP.


Now, since many Scion dealers were selling the older models for around that anyway then maybe if the Toyota dealers don't try to bump that up they may be OK.

[SkAsphalt]

Originally Posted by nico_rsx

If the price in the website is real, here in canada, the price increase is 2000$

What a rip-off. Like someone said, it's the same price as the BRZ limited...

Because it comes with similar interior and exterior features? the new model is more inline with the Monospec or RS models

[CBR600RR]

Originally Posted by SkAsphalt

the new model is more inline with the Monospec or RS models

How is that?


no dual zone climate control
no start/stop button with prox key
no multi function display in dash
no leather/heated seats
no fog lights


its the base model scion with new bumpers and lights for a few extra thousand dollars


IMO Toyota is fvcking this up big time on the pricing. Bring it back down to $26-27k and we will talk. Otherwise I'll be talking to Subaru for the Sport Tech package for $29k. Much more value there!

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by CBR600RR

How is that?


no dual zone climate control
no start/stop button with prox key
no multi function display in dash
no leather/heated seats
no fog lights


its the base model scion with new bumpers and lights for a few extra thousand dollars


IMO Toyota is fvcking this up big time on the pricing. Bring it back down to $26-27k and we will talk. Otherwise I'll be talking to Subaru for the Sport Tech package for $29k. Much more value there!

I know not all dealers charged above MSRP but finding a 16 for $26 to $27 is no easy feat either.
http://www.autotrader.ca/cars/scion/...advancedSearch

[funwheeldrive]

Damn, if the Monospec is that much up there in Canada, just imagine if they start making the premium options available...

[FX86]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I know not all dealers charged above MSRP but finding a 16 for $26 to $27 is no easy feat either.
http://www.autotrader.ca/cars/scion/...advancedSearch

on autotrader i found a bunch of brand new 15/16s for under 24K (~23K)..they must really need to get rid of them

good deal for anyone that wants a fr-s before the new ones come out

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by FX86

on autotrader i found a bunch of brand new 15/16s for under 24K (~23K)..they must really need to get rid of them

good deal for anyone that wants a fr-s before the new ones come out

Depends on where you are I guess.

[iManage]

Originally Posted by ztrevs

In my eyes, there really is no point for someone to be purchasing the "new" 86s in Canada right away. They are hella dumbed down...

I'm starting to re consider the 86... might just have to go with a BRZ for roughly around the same price. Unless Toyota can give me a banging deal which I highly doubt even if im part of their loyalty program.

I'm not sure if the Toy has an FRS monogram-type still around, but mine has everything a BRZ has and more. It was quite a bit more $ though.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

Damn, if the Monospec is that much up there in Canada, just imagine if they start making the premium options available...

That is where comparing prices across countries gets tricky and confusing. Everything here appears more expensive but since we make more it all evens out. A can of Coke can be $1 there and $1.25 here, But a person doing the exact same job can make $10 there and $12 dollars here so in the long run things actually cost the same. Our income to cost ratio is pretty much exactly the same as the US.


And PLEASE nobody apply the exchange rate and say "well the car actually only cost $26K" since we are not buying our domestic products in US dollars.

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by iManage

I'm not sure if the Toy has an FRS monogram-type still around, but mine has everything a BRZ has and more. It was quite a bit more $ though.

Nope, there were only 2000 Monograms offered, and the majority of those were automatic. The RS 2.0 had all the features of the Monogram though, plus a little more. They could bring it back for MY17.

Originally Posted by Tcoat

That is where comparing prices across countries gets tricky and confusing. Everything here appears more expensive but since we make more it all evens out. A can of Coke can be $1 there and $1.25 here, But a person doing the exact same job can make $10 there and $12 dollars here so in the long run things actually cost the same. Our income to cost ratio is pretty much exactly the same as the US.


And PLEASE nobody apply the exchange rate and say "well the car actually only cost $26K" since we are not buying our domestic products in US dollars.

I wasn't talking so much about USD vs Maple Leaf coins. I just meant that the price difference between the 86 and old FRS seems pretty big up there. That gap will only get widened if they offer deluxe features too. The same would be true for America. An 86 with all the bells and whistles would probably be around 29k down here. In contrast, the Monogram was $27,400 MSRP.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

I wasn't talking so much about USD vs Maple Leaf coins. I just meant that the price difference between the 86 and old FRS seems pretty big up there. That gap will only get widened if they offer deluxe features too. The same would be true for America. An 86 with all the bells and whistles would probably be around 29k down here. In contrast, the Monogram was $27,400 MSRP.

AHHH I get ya then. Yes, I have said many times that the guys screaming for all the bells and whistles the rest of the world got are going to be sadly disappointed when they find out the will not get the cars at Scion prices. The rest of the world paid big bucks for those goodies and so will we.