Why are the Invidia catback exhausts so much cheaper than others? - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

stratodyne · 12-11-2012, 05:36 PM

Hey everyone!

I've got a question that has been bugging me for the past week. I'm purchasing an aftermarket catback exhaust for my BR-Z after the holidays are over, and I've been completely overwhelmed by the number of choices that are available. On my previous WRX, I had one of the Nameless performance systems, and I'll likely purchase a similar system from them for my BR-Z.

One of the names that always comes up, however, is Invidia. People seem to really like their exhaust systems, and the generally seem well designed. Why is it, then, that their exhaust systems are so much less expensive than the offerings from other companies? Is it different quality material? Are they that much larger of a company? Is it made in a smog-filled Chinese factory?

I'm curious to see what everybody thinks, as I don't know enough about the company to postulate any reasonable answer.

Thanks guys!

1strwdcar · 12-11-2012, 05:55 PM

I think other systems available to us are over priced at the moment. I think INVIDIA is CORRECTLY priced. I have own several exhausts both prebuilt and custom on several different Cars. And acutally built one myself. INVIDIA is a quality exhaust.

I have the Q300 and it has everything i was looking for, The quietest, The most affordable, Awesome fitiment, And i did feel a power increase. Also one thing about INVIDIA They polish the entire exhaust system, THE WHOLE thing most systems are only polished on the tips and maybeeee the muffler(s). THats the Truth.

oh ya ft86speedfactory.com tell him 1strwdcar sent you.

catharsis · 12-11-2012, 06:04 PM

made in china. Personally I'd rather pay a premium for parts that I know are made in the US.

jonbatz01 · 12-11-2012, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by catharsis

made in china. Personally I'd rather pay a premium for parts that I know are made in the US.

Curiously, does making it in the US make it any faster/better?

wbradley · 12-11-2012, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by jonbatz01

Curiously, does making it in the US make it any faster/better?

+10 HP

No it doesn't but given the choice between offshore and domestic most Americans and Canadians will *try* to support their neighbours.
Walmart proves that you can't do that a lot of times.

Also there is always the perception that quality and accountability wont be there from China.

THere are several options in the under $700 US range and some are probably domestic. Magnaflow is one that comes to mind I think. But to some people those brands aren't exotic enough I guess.

Oz must have some suppliers too. Sadly Canada doesn't have much on the mass market level since it's hard to compete with 300 million people just below us.

Squishy86 · 12-11-2012, 06:44 PM

I'm interested in this as well. I'm seeing exhausts ranging from $500 to $1500 and I would like to know which ones are "Made in China" and what the statistical significance is behind them.

1strwdcar · 12-11-2012, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by sabSquishy

I'm interested in this as well. I'm seeing exhausts ranging from $500 to $1500 and I would like to know which ones are "Made in China" and what the statistical significance is behind them.

You guys would be surprised of how much aftermarket gear is made in china/japan. And works just fine. My buddy had a invidia n1 on a s2000 for 3 years. Zero issues

OrbitalEllipses · 12-11-2012, 06:53 PM

Because robot welded in China.

86_ZN6 · 12-11-2012, 06:56 PM

china factories are all about mass production

pretty sure not all exhaust parts go through intensive quality check.

manufactured ---> packed ---> shipped ---> sold ---> installed

Zadkiel · 12-11-2012, 07:59 PM

My Invidia didn't have the fitment problems my "Made in America" Accelerated Performance catback did. Just because it may be "made in china" doesn't mean it's super awesome. You'd be surprised how many things are MiC these days.

Ravenlokk · 12-11-2012, 08:02 PM

Cheaper mfg process, which isnt necessarily a bad thing. I'm not familiar if the entire system is Stainless. Cant speak to it being, or not being- but i know some of the premium exhaust are hand made with stainless hangers etc which should help longevity.

stratodyne · 12-11-2012, 08:23 PM

I feel like this thread is going to spawn into a "What exhaust do you have?" thread eventually, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, as I'm trying to make up my mind on the 6.23 x 10^23 options that are available at the moment

catharsis · 12-11-2012, 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonbatz01

Curiously, does making it in the US make it any faster/better?

Actually yes.

Most US made designed and built exhausts/parts do perform better. Especially all the high end designers.

Also sorry I take pride in supporting locally owned production. To me that makes it better, knowing who's hands crafted it and that my money gave an american a job.

wbradley · 12-11-2012, 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stratodyne

I feel like this thread is going to spawn into a "What exhaust do you have?" thread eventually, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, as I'm trying to make up my mind on the 6.23 x 10^23 options that are available at the moment

A mole?

12-11-2012, 05:36 PM	#1
stratodyne Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Drives: 2013 Subaru BRZ Lightning Red Location: Mesa, AZ Posts: 113 Thanks: 80 Thanked 25 Times in 17 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Why are the Invidia catback exhausts so much cheaper than others? Hey everyone! I've got a question that has been bugging me for the past week. I'm purchasing an aftermarket catback exhaust for my BR-Z after the holidays are over, and I've been completely overwhelmed by the number of choices that are available. On my previous WRX, I had one of the Nameless performance systems, and I'll likely purchase a similar system from them for my BR-Z. One of the names that always comes up, however, is Invidia. People seem to really like their exhaust systems, and the generally seem well designed. Why is it, then, that their exhaust systems are so much less expensive than the offerings from other companies? Is it different quality material? Are they that much larger of a company? Is it made in a smog-filled Chinese factory? I'm curious to see what everybody thinks, as I don't know enough about the company to postulate any reasonable answer. Thanks guys!

12-11-2012, 07:59 PM	#10
Zadkiel Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Drives: CBS BRZ Limited 6MT Location: PA Posts: 644 Thanks: 30 Thanked 144 Times in 108 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	My Invidia didn't have the fitment problems my "Made in America" Accelerated Performance catback did. Just because it may be "made in china" doesn't mean it's super awesome. You'd be surprised how many things are MiC these days. __________________ Back in (Crystal) Black.

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1strwdcar Banned Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: 2013 scion frs Whiteout Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 128 Thanks: 146 Thanked 27 Times in 22 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I think other systems available to us are over priced at the moment. I think INVIDIA is CORRECTLY priced. I have own several exhausts both prebuilt and custom on several different Cars. And acutally built one myself. INVIDIA is a quality exhaust. I have the Q300 and it has everything i was looking for, The quietest, The most affordable, Awesome fitiment, And i did feel a power increase. Also one thing about INVIDIA They polish the entire exhaust system, THE WHOLE thing most systems are only polished on the tips and maybeeee the muffler(s). THats the Truth. oh ya ft86speedfactory.com tell him 1strwdcar sent you.

12-11-2012, 06:04 PM	#3
catharsis Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Drives: honda civic si 08 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 176 Thanks: 1 Thanked 28 Times in 18 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	made in china. Personally I'd rather pay a premium for parts that I know are made in the US.

12-11-2012, 06:44 PM	#6
Squishy86 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: Your Car Location: San Diego Posts: 439 Thanks: 461 Thanked 225 Times in 115 Posts Mentioned: 5 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I'm interested in this as well. I'm seeing exhausts ranging from $500 to $1500 and I would like to know which ones are "Made in China" and what the statistical significance is behind them.

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OrbitalEllipses Banned Join Date: Jan 2012 Drives: Attitude Location: MD Posts: 10,046 Thanks: 884 Thanked 4,889 Times in 2,902 Posts Mentioned: 123 Post(s) Tagged: 4 Thread(s)	Because robot welded in China.

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86_ZN6 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Drives: 86 ZN6 Location: SF Bay Area, NorCal Posts: 4,682 Thanks: 1,317 Thanked 2,072 Times in 1,222 Posts Mentioned: 126 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	china factories are all about mass production pretty sure not all exhaust parts go through intensive quality check. manufactured ---> packed ---> shipped ---> sold ---> installed

12-11-2012, 08:02 PM	#11
Ravenlokk Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Drives: 2013 Raven FR-S Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 265 Thanks: 34 Thanked 68 Times in 47 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Cheaper mfg process, which isnt necessarily a bad thing. I'm not familiar if the entire system is Stainless. Cant speak to it being, or not being- but i know some of the premium exhaust are hand made with stainless hangers etc which should help longevity.

12-11-2012, 08:23 PM	#12
stratodyne Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Drives: 2013 Subaru BRZ Lightning Red Location: Mesa, AZ Posts: 113 Thanks: 80 Thanked 25 Times in 17 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I feel like this thread is going to spawn into a "What exhaust do you have?" thread eventually, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, as I'm trying to make up my mind on the 6.23 x 10^23 options that are available at the moment

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