Toyota GR Yaris

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Jordanwolf

Here's the solution to 2nd gen 86 sitting right here.

Drop Subaru, who needs them. It's not like they're going to come out with anything worth while anyway. WRX 2021, bring your dog edition.

Modify this Yaris platform, delete the AWD and make it RWD with two engine trims (NA/FI). Boom, I am genius, gib me money now.

This has been said already.

The problem is that Subaru is already signed up to partner for the next 86, and I am sure they will still be the one building the MKII. The GR Yaris will likely be built on the same line as the standard (Jap) Yaris, but the 86 will need its own production line, which is where Subaru comes in. The car will also need an engine. I don't think the 100hp NA motor will cut it, nor may the turbo motor if it couldn't be easily adapted to be longitudinal. In fact, I was trying to see if this TNGA is even compatible with an 86. The dimensions seem similar enough, but what motor would fit? I don't think many longitudinal engines will fit because the firewall position. Another NA boxer motor is the best guess. My thinking is that they will add D4S to the 2.4L motor and try to squeeze 240-250hp out of that motor. It only has a larger bore, so it won't be wider than what we have currently. It really depends on how adaptable this platform is for the 86:

Side by side: Look at the height difference of the windshields or the dash position relative to each other.






Engine position: Look how far forward the motor is relative to the strut towers.






Engine bay differences: The steering wrack is further back, which means the motor could move further back, but it doesn't look big enough for a transmission to fit in the tunnel. Just enough size for a driveshaft and front diff. Then again, the 86's transmission has a long bell housing, so I'm not sure.

[JD001]

Why?????

[why?]

Originally Posted by JD001

Why?????

Hey, the Geo Metro sold as a convertible, why not a Yaris?

Originally Posted by Jordanwolf

Here's the solution to 2nd gen 86 sitting right here.

Drop Subaru, who needs them. It's not like they're going to come out with anything worth while anyway. WRX 2021, bring your dog edition.

Modify this Yaris platform, delete the AWD and make it RWD with two engine trims (NA/FI). Boom, I am genius, gib me money now.

Only thing you are going to get off that platform is a new MR2. But I doubt we are going to be that lucky.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by JD001

Why?????

to make a marginally ugly car full on ugly?

[JD001]

Originally Posted by why?

Hey, the Geo Metro sold as a convertible, why not a Yaris?



Only thing you are going to get off that platform is a new MR2. But I doubt we are going to be that lucky.

I always struggled with the idea behind the E30 M3 convertible as the 'tin top' started life as a homologation special.. so who the hell races a convertible E30 M3?

I have the same view regards the Yaris..

I read in Evo mag this week that Toyota is looking to build circa 24,000 units and that the UK will receive a four figure sum..

[jflogerzi]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

This has been said already.

The problem is that Subaru is already signed up to partner for the next 86, and I am sure they will still be the one building the MKII. The GR Yaris will likely be built on the same line as the standard (Jap) Yaris, but the 86 will need its own production line, which is where Subaru comes in. The car will also need an engine. I don't think the 100hp NA motor will cut it, nor may the turbo motor if it couldn't be easily adapted to be longitudinal. In fact, I was trying to see if this TNGA is even compatible with an 86. The dimensions seem similar enough, but what motor would fit? I don't think many longitudinal engines will fit because the firewall position. Another NA boxer motor is the best guess. My thinking is that they will add D4S to the 2.4L motor and try to squeeze 240-250hp out of that motor. It only has a larger bore, so it won't be wider than what we have currently. It really depends on how adaptable this platform is for the 86:

Side by side: Look at the height difference of the windshields or the dash position relative to each other.






Engine position: Look how far forward the motor is relative to the strut towers.






Engine bay differences: The steering wrack is further back, which means the motor could move further back, but it doesn't look big enough for a transmission to fit in the tunnel. Just enough size for a driveshaft and front diff. Then again, the 86's transmission has a long bell housing, so I'm not sure.

Rumors are the MK2 twins will be built on Toyota's current next gen platform and Subaru will be providing the power plant...

[why?]

Originally Posted by jflogerzi

Rumors are the MK2 twins will be built on Toyota's current next gen platform and Subaru will be providing the power plant...

but that rumor makes absolutely zero sense. If it is on Toyota's platform it should use a Toyota engine. And is Toyota going to manufacturer it now?

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by jflogerzi

Rumors are the MK2 twins will be built on Toyota's current next gen platform and Subaru will be providing the power plant...

That seems necessary considering Subaru no longer has a RWD architecture, but it also seems difficult if Subaru is going to continue to build these cars. Before it was their chassis with their engine on their assembly line. Now it would be Toyota’s chassis with Subaru’s engine on Subaru’s assembly line. I don’t know how adaptable the assembly line would be for such a situation.

I understand Lexus models will be built on the TNGA platform, so they must be able to accommodate FR architecture, but a common mold could also mean a bulbous body. We will see. Regardless, I’m so invested in my car that I won’t be updating anytime soon.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by why?

but that rumor makes absolutely zero sense. If it is on Toyota's platform it should use a Toyota engine. And is Toyota going to manufacturer it now?

I see zero reason why this is necessary. Visit the Engine Swap section sometime and see what can easily fit given modest adaptations. The bigger question is what will this inefficiency cost?

[jflogerzi]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

That seems necessary considering Subaru no longer has a RWD architecture, but it also seems difficult if Subaru is going to continue to build these cars. Before it was their chassis with their engine on their assembly line. Now it would be Toyota’s chassis with Subaru’s engine on Subaru’s assembly line. I don’t know how adaptable the assembly line would be for such a situation.



I understand Lexus models will be built on the TNGA platform, so they must be able to accommodate FR architecture, but a common mold could also mean a bulbous body. We will see. Regardless, I’m so invested in my car that I won’t be updating anytime soon.

I am guessing Toyota might take the lead and assemble and source the boxer engine from subui. Same here not giving up my car for anything. Soon this will become a dedicated track car and will get a turbo vs the current SC.

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[WolfpackS2k]

I understand Lexus models will be built on the TNGA platform, so they must be able to accommodate FR architecture, but a common mold could also mean a bulbous body. We will see. Regardless, I’m so invested in my car that I won’t be updating anytime soon.

WAT? If that platform is going to be used for Lexus models, we can kiss a sub 3000 lb curb weight good-bye.

Dammit.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

WAT? If that platform is going to be used for Lexus models, we can kiss a sub 3000 lb curb weight good-bye.

Dammit.

Current Corolla is 2900 lbs with 4-doors, a hatch, and decent sound deadening/interior quality.
Edit: Japanese Yaris with 2wd is <2,600 lbs based on what I can find. Even claims down to ~2100lbs but I bet that's like a 2cylinder twist beam shitbox that iracer thinks is what will be sold here.

TNGA supports AWD already with cars on the road, the only oddities Toyota will have to adapt the platform for (if this is real which I highly doubt it) would be the longitudinal engine/transmission, coupe body lines, and Subaru's mfg process.

That third one will be the hardest unless they've been working on it for the last 5 years already.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

WAT? If that platform is going to be used for Lexus models, we can kiss a sub 3000 lb curb weight good-bye.

Dammit.

https://www.wardsauto.com/industry/t...p-evs-due-soon

[why?]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

I see zero reason why this is necessary. Visit the Engine Swap section sometime and see what can easily fit given modest adaptations. The bigger question is what will this inefficiency cost?

But Why? They've noted the compromises they had to fit in the boxer, and how they really don't like the result as much as they thought they would. If Toyota manufactured the car they could easily put an i4 in it and make it far superior to what the engine is now, even if they choose to have the same power levels.

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Current Corolla is 2900 lbs with 4-doors, a hatch, and decent sound deadening/interior quality.
Edit: Japanese Yaris with 2wd is <2,600 lbs based on what I can find. Even claims down to ~2100lbs but I bet that's like a 2cylinder twist beam shitbox that iracer thinks is what will be sold here.

TNGA supports AWD already with cars on the road, the only oddities Toyota will have to adapt the platform for (if this is real which I highly doubt it) would be the longitudinal engine/transmission, coupe body lines, and Subaru's mfg process.

That third one will be the hardest unless they've been working on it for the last 5 years already.

The Yaris is at least a foot or two shorter that our car. They could have gone that way and had a taller trunk if they wanted to fit 4 wheels and tires. If they want to compete weight wise with the Miata maybe they do choose this.