Suggestions on suspension upgrade over BC

[evomike]

Originally Posted by Tokay444

Once he's got some quality components on the car, we'll be able to guide him the rest of the way. Thanks bud.

oh shit your so awesome, you guys will really get him there that is why i was the one who pointed out that his car was never aligned. good luck dog

[Tokay444]

Originally Posted by 86MLR

I agree, the only noticable difference I found was near on full soft and somewhere in the middle, any harder and they handled like rubbish, both on or off the track.

They do only cost 1k though, compromises are expected when you buy cheap stuff.

I've learnt alot from them though, IRT paying more for something that actually works well is definitely worth the outlay, both in performance and comfort.

Sadly, most seem to think there isn’t a compromise at $1000.

Originally Posted by evomike

oh shit your so awesome, you guys will really get him there that is why i was the one who pointed out that his car was never aligned. good luck dog

You’re*

[evomike]

Originally Posted by Tokay444

Sadly, most seem to think there isn’t a compromise at $1000.


You’re*

is there a compromise over a full track coilover absolutely, but the root of OP's problem is changing suspension components and ride height and not aligning the car. I am amazed that he is even able to drive it without any of the nannies coming on constantly.

[Tokay444]

A set of BCs, or anything from that same barrel of junk, is nothing but a compromise. They do nothing well.
I can't believe I'm having to debate people on this.

[wparsons]

Originally Posted by evomike

is there a compromise over a full track coilover absolutely, but the root of OP's problem is changing suspension components and ride height and not aligning the car. I am amazed that he is even able to drive it without any of the nannies coming on constantly.

How is an alignment going to fix a ride so harsh it's giving the OP a headache?


If the car tracks funny, and won't drive straight, then sure it's the alignment, but an alignment isn't going to soften the ride or give it proper dampening.

[evomike]

Originally Posted by wparsons

How is an alignment going to fix a ride so harsh it's giving the OP a headache?


If the car tracks funny, and won't drive straight, then sure it's the alignment, but an alignment isn't going to soften the ride or give it proper dampening.

He fucked up the pre load when installing and never got an alignment, it is bouncy and sketchy to drive because of his installation and lack of alignment. If he took it to a shop had the pre load set correctly and an alignment done OP would probably be completely ok with the coilovers. The fact that this thread is still going and OP hasn’t got an alignment blows my mind.

[86MLR]

Originally Posted by evomike

He fucked up the pre load when installing and never got an alignment, it is bouncy and sketchy to drive because of his installation and lack of alignment. If he took it to a shop had the pre load set correctly and an alignment done OP would probably be completely ok with the coilovers. The fact that this thread is still going and OP hasn’t got an alignment blows my mind.

My BC's had "linear?" springs, preload shouldn't effect the ride, to a point, but this wouldn't cause the lack of compliance the OP is talking about, IMO.

To me, valving, shock travel and spring rates are all areas that need attention.

But then I'm no expert and am basing my veiws from past experience on playing with BC's on a MX5.

[x808drifter]

Originally Posted by 86MLR

My BC's had "linear?" springs, preload shouldn't effect the ride, to a point, but this wouldn't cause the lack of compliance the OP is talking about, IMO.

To me, valving, shock travel and spring rates are all areas that need attention.

But then I'm no expert and am basing my veiws from past experience on playing with BC's on a MX5.

Go back and re-read what the op had done.
He had thrown the coils on without checking them first.
One of the rear coils had over an extra inch of preload added to it.
(not sure how else to word it)

That's a ridiculous amount of difference on a single corner.
And would definitely make it ride like shit.

[86MLR]

My new MCA gear turned up

Coils come with swaybar links for front, traction mod cost extra but well worth it

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by 86MLR

From asking people at track days their replies was look into MCA, with that I've got their Street performance coils and also their traction mod coming to me in the post.

Worth a look, they are in Australia but you can give them a call or message them.

Lots of experience and development have gone into them.

Alot of the quick cars over here are running them in one form or another, lots of options to choose from, they can pick your spring rates or you can chose whatever you feel best suits your needs.

https://mcasuspension.com

I have MCA Reds on my car but would not recommend them on this forum except for in the Australia sub-forum.
Why? Because in the States there a gazillion options running from $200 junk items to 10k+ racing dampers with local support. Yeah, that last part. Local support. Last time I spoke to Josh they still hadn't organised a distributor/service center for MCAs in the States and as I've said before you won't appreciate local service until you need it. I mean seriously, why would anyone in the States want to send their dampers back to Aus to get serviced?


/rant.

[JSube]

Originally Posted by Lakitu

What are some of you guys running around $2000 for suspension setup and are happy with? Looking for something that offers better driving comfort while letting me maintain the favorable 1" gap between fender and tire. Something that's not extremely bouncy. I went super cheap and got BC Racing under $1000. I thought I could pull it off! And now my car is like a fucking boat on water. The headlights rise and dip at night like an oldschool lowrider on hydraulics. Pretty sure people think I am flashing them.

Just for the looks of being lowered, I'd say it's deeefinitely not worth sacrificing driving comfort. Feels like my brain bobbles and levitates which is nauseating, body gets thrown all over the place on the slightest dips in the road, and its even worse with another person in the car. Even a little dangerous to drive because the car makes unpredictable responses in steering when it rolls over something maybe 4" steep. Needless the say, the car is less fun to drive in its current state because of just this 1 issue. I'll never again underestimate the importance of proper suspension setup. I'm actually contemplating going back to the stock struts at this point. This was a mistake and I need to up my suspension game.

OP, if you're still out there (and if you are, congrats on your stamina) you have some good advice from RCE and others to go with springs only. Here are a couple helpful links if you really want to go with affordable, but not rock bottom cheapest, coils. Both are rebuidable. Happy trails...

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...=Tein+CSG+Spec

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...ins+road+track

[Tokay444]

Originally Posted by evomike

He fucked up the pre load when installing and never got an alignment, it is bouncy and sketchy to drive because of his installation and lack of alignment. If he took it to a shop had the pre load set correctly and an alignment done OP would probably be completely ok with the coilovers. The fact that this thread is still going and OP hasn’t got an alignment blows my mind.

He fucked up buying such an inferior product. The fact that people can point at anything else blows my mind.
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[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by Tokay444

He fucked up buying such an inferior product. The fact that people can point at anything else blows my mind.
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This. You can buy ST (KW), Tein, H&R, Tokico for the price of BCs and Bilstein PSS9s for $200 more. Why anyone would waste their money on the Chinese knockoff bullshit that is BC is beyond me.

Like I said. Literally buy ANYTHING else.

[chaoskaze]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

Why anyone would waste their money on the Chinese knockoff bullshit that is BC is beyond me.

Like I said. Literally buy ANYTHING else.

This, I can probably buy some BCs at $400-500 dollar range on alibaba if i order more then 10 sets at once.