follow ft86club on our blog, twitter or facebook.
FT86CLUB
Ft86Club
RR Racing
Register Garage Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Go Back   Scion FR-S Forum | Subaru BRZ Forum | Toyota 86 GT 86 Forum | AS1 Forum - FT86CLUB > Technical Topics > Wheels | Tires | Spacers | Hub -- Sponsored by The Tire Rack

Wheels | Tires | Spacers | Hub -- Sponsored by The Tire Rack Specific topics relating to wheels and tires.


User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 08-02-2019, 11:52 AM   #29
ZDan
Senior Member
 
ZDan's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Drives: '17 BRZ PP, '11 Cayman
Location: Providence, RI
Posts: 2,266
Thanks: 250
Thanked 1,327 Times in 776 Posts
Mentioned: 34 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by wparsons View Post
IMO that's either a unicorn track, or you're under driving by a fair amount. I've never personally driven on them, but anyone I know that's a properly fast driver can get 2-3 hot laps absolute maximum.
HA!! You MUST be *joking*!

You have zero experience with these tires, but you're ready to critique the awesomeness of my driving?!

FWIW, I'm not that great a driver and fairly inconsistent usually, but if anything I tend to overdrive the fizook out of the car, to a fault. I only got two events out of my first set last year, actually bought 3 sets last year for 7 events, and I was also sometimes running NT01s :O

In ANY case, what does "a properly fast driver" have to do with the context of this thread?

I stated my experience with these tires, which is more than you can do as you've never driven on them

Last edited by ZDan; 08-02-2019 at 12:06 PM.
ZDan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2019, 12:24 PM   #30
wparsons
Senior Member
 
wparsons's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Drives: 2013 Asphalt FR-S Manual
Location: Whitby, ON, Canada
Posts: 6,565
Thanks: 7,367
Thanked 3,205 Times in 2,066 Posts
Mentioned: 98 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZDan View Post
HA!! You MUST be *joking*!

You have zero experience with these tires, but you're ready to critique the awesomeness of my driving?!

FWIW, I'm not that great a driver and fairly inconsistent usually, but one thing I do is overdrive the fizook out of the car, to a fault. I only got two events out of my first set last year, actually bought 3 sets last year for 7 events, and I was also sometimes running NT01s :O

In ANY case, what does "a properly fast driver" have to do with the context of this thread?

I stated my experience with these tires, which is more than you can do as you've never driven on them

If you're getting 7 good laps, you're under driving. The other potential is you're over driving so badly that they're always over heated and never at full potential.



I wasn't trying to attack you (despite you taking it that way), but data doesn't lie, and I'll take a much larger sample set over your single reference.



My opinion is far from isolated too... they aren't called one lap wonders for no reason.
__________________
Light travels faster than sound, so people may appear to be bright until you hear them speak...
flickr
wparsons is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to wparsons For This Useful Post:
Icecreamtruk (08-05-2019)
Old 08-02-2019, 12:33 PM   #31
ZDan
Senior Member
 
ZDan's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Drives: '17 BRZ PP, '11 Cayman
Location: Providence, RI
Posts: 2,266
Thanks: 250
Thanked 1,327 Times in 776 Posts
Mentioned: 34 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by wparsons View Post
If you're getting 7 good laps, you're under driving. The other potential is you're over driving so badly that they're always over heated and never at full potential.
There's all sortsa potential reasons why. One of which is, maybe these tires *aren't* garbage after 2 laps....
And it is *1st hand* info, which again is more than you can provide!

Quote:
I wasn't trying to attack you (despite you taking it that way), but data doesn't lie, and I'll take a much larger sample set over your single reference.
Right, data doesn't lie, and I provided mine. So let's see your lap time info.

FWIW i was kinda joking and trying to give you a jokey sanctimonious "How DARE you sir!"


Quote:
My opinion is far from isolated too... they aren't called one lap wonders for no reason.
Your opinion is based on the experience of others, though.

Anyway for 90% of the cases where someone lacking experience is asking for info, it is most likely not pertinent if tires lose a few tenths after 3 or four laps in the hands of an expert driver.

Last edited by ZDan; 08-02-2019 at 12:57 PM.
ZDan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2019, 01:08 PM   #32
wparsons
Senior Member
 
wparsons's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Drives: 2013 Asphalt FR-S Manual
Location: Whitby, ON, Canada
Posts: 6,565
Thanks: 7,367
Thanked 3,205 Times in 2,066 Posts
Mentioned: 98 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZDan View Post
There's all sortsa potential reasons why. One of which is, maybe these tires *aren't* garbage after 2 laps....
And it is *1st hand* info, which again is more than you can provide!

Right, data doesn't lie, and I provided mine. So let's see your lap time info.

I'll dig into it later if you actually want it...


Quote:
Originally Posted by ZDan View Post
FWIW i was kinda joking and trying to give you a jokey sanctimonious "How DARE you sir!"

Totally missed the sarcasm... stupid internet.


Quote:
Originally Posted by ZDan View Post
Anyway for 90% of the cases where someone lacking experience is asking for info, it is most likely not pertinent if tires lose a few tenths after 3 or four laps in the hands of an expert driver.

And in those cases where they don't have the experience to extract every tenth out of the tires, and aren't competing, there are much better tire options (which was my original statement). More consistent, last longer overall, last for longer sessions, cheaper, etc.
__________________
Light travels faster than sound, so people may appear to be bright until you hear them speak...
flickr
wparsons is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2019, 03:17 PM   #33
ZDan
Senior Member
 
ZDan's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Drives: '17 BRZ PP, '11 Cayman
Location: Providence, RI
Posts: 2,266
Thanks: 250
Thanked 1,327 Times in 776 Posts
Mentioned: 34 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by wparsons View Post
I'll dig into it later if you actually want it...
If you happen upon it, I'm interested... Not a big deal but I am curious as to what kind of lap time falloff others may be seeing. FWIW I was on tires with ~2mm tread depth left, less tread squirm...

Quote:
Totally missed the sarcasm... stupid internet.
I find when I reread my posts they usually come of significantly more aggressive than intended...

Quote:
And in those cases where they don't have the experience to extract every tenth out of the tires, and aren't competing, there are much better tire options (which was my original statement). More consistent, last longer overall, last for longer sessions, cheaper, etc.
Hankook RS4...
ZDan is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to ZDan For This Useful Post:
Icecreamtruk (08-05-2019), wparsons (08-02-2019)
Old 08-02-2019, 04:21 PM   #34
wparsons
Senior Member
 
wparsons's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Drives: 2013 Asphalt FR-S Manual
Location: Whitby, ON, Canada
Posts: 6,565
Thanks: 7,367
Thanked 3,205 Times in 2,066 Posts
Mentioned: 98 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZDan View Post
If you happen upon it, I'm interested... Not a big deal but I am curious as to what kind of lap time falloff others may be seeing. FWIW I was on tires with ~2mm tread depth left, less tread squirm...

I'll see what I can dig up, I can share the live timing url but that doesn't tell you what tires people are on, and looking that up is a completely separate db/system.


Here's one guy that I believe was on RE71R's for this event, and is a really quick/consistent driver. Look at the practice laps, boxed by time (practice is run as one session all monring, but you'll see his actual runs are ~1 hour apart)

http://livetiming.time-attack.ca/eve...tor/68/details



Quote:
Originally Posted by ZDan View Post
Hankook RS4...

They're a great choice, there's some other good ones too especially if not competing.
__________________
Light travels faster than sound, so people may appear to be bright until you hear them speak...
flickr
wparsons is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-03-2019, 08:43 AM   #35
jayliu.jiayu@gamil.com
Senior Member
 
jayliu.jiayu@gamil.com's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Drives: 2017_86 2016_frs 2007_335i
Location: victoria Canada
Posts: 166
Thanks: 16
Thanked 9 Times in 7 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by wparsons View Post
I'll see what I can dig up, I can share the live timing url but that doesn't tell you what tires people are on, and looking that up is a completely separate db/system.


Here's one guy that I believe was on RE71R's for this event, and is a really quick/consistent driver. Look at the practice laps, boxed by time (practice is run as one session all monring, but you'll see his actual runs are ~1 hour apart)

http://livetiming.time-attack.ca/eve...tor/68/details






They're a great choice, there's some other good ones too especially if not competing.



i will keep my mouth zipped until the next track day with my alignment ready, and show the result.


most driver are using re71r for people around from newbie to advance
one driver is using r888r or r888 who is driving r35 gtr

however, re71r is cheaper in my area.
so far as know, no matter wut u do. the re71r only hold 2 track day before u find out it is pointless to keep lapping with them
4-5 section 20-25mins lapping on each track day


no matter wut, it is all come down to the track layout.

so here is the vimc track
Name:  vimctrackmap.jpg
Views: 79
Size:  341.5 KB


a lot of u turn with off camber and hard braking


and here is video of the last section on the tire i had showed in the post






from start to end 2 videos


in my opinion, the re71r will get into working temperature very fast like 1-2 laps. the grip keeps linear until u cool it down, and then u will notice the grip a bit less compare before.


something like decreasing steps

Name:  122716045-concept-of-decrease-graphic-with-wooden-steps-on-grey-background-.jpg
Views: 77
Size:  12.9 KB


anyway will show the result after i done the next trackday
__________________

Last edited by jayliu.jiayu@gamil.com; 08-03-2019 at 08:55 AM.
jayliu.jiayu@gamil.com is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-03-2019, 08:53 AM   #36
jayliu.jiayu@gamil.com
Senior Member
 
jayliu.jiayu@gamil.com's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Drives: 2017_86 2016_frs 2007_335i
Location: victoria Canada
Posts: 166
Thanks: 16
Thanked 9 Times in 7 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZDan View Post
HA!! You MUST be *joking*!

You have zero experience with these tires, but you're ready to critique the awesomeness of my driving?!

FWIW, I'm not that great a driver and fairly inconsistent usually, but if anything I tend to overdrive the fizook out of the car, to a fault. I only got two events out of my first set last year, actually bought 3 sets last year for 7 events, and I was also sometimes running NT01s :O

In ANY case, what does "a properly fast driver" have to do with the context of this thread?

I stated my experience with these tires, which is more than you can do as you've never driven on them

one of my friends use 215 45 17 re71r on stock brz, no racing line no heel toe. just push the tire to the limit.

like a rally driver right on the limit and careless

he is 3 seconds faster than me


but he had way more seat time compare to me


i only had 1 set of re71r last year


he had 6 set now i think. he knows the limit of the re71r


my goal is keep up with him

still try to find the limit of the tire at braking into the corner
__________________
jayliu.jiayu@gamil.com is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-03-2019, 08:36 PM   #37
wparsons
Senior Member
 
wparsons's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Drives: 2013 Asphalt FR-S Manual
Location: Whitby, ON, Canada
Posts: 6,565
Thanks: 7,367
Thanked 3,205 Times in 2,066 Posts
Mentioned: 98 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Garage
I'd suggest RS4's for your next tires instead of RE71R's, they're a much better lapping tire than RE71R's. They'll last you a lot longer, and should be cheaper (they are here).
__________________
Light travels faster than sound, so people may appear to be bright until you hear them speak...
flickr
wparsons is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-04-2019, 02:20 AM   #38
jayliu.jiayu@gamil.com
Senior Member
 
jayliu.jiayu@gamil.com's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Drives: 2017_86 2016_frs 2007_335i
Location: victoria Canada
Posts: 166
Thanks: 16
Thanked 9 Times in 7 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by wparsons View Post
I'd suggest RS4's for your next tires instead of RE71R's, they're a much better lapping tire than RE71R's. They'll last you a lot longer, and should be cheaper (they are here).

u just dont get wut i need in there

i wanna be as fast as i can not more laps
tire wearing show me i need some camber for front tire to be fast

i like to be familiar with re71 first and more on to the 100 grade tires
thx for the help tho

will post up once i got my alignment
__________________
jayliu.jiayu@gamil.com is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-04-2019, 09:58 AM   #39
ZDan
Senior Member
 
ZDan's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Drives: '17 BRZ PP, '11 Cayman
Location: Providence, RI
Posts: 2,266
Thanks: 250
Thanked 1,327 Times in 776 Posts
Mentioned: 34 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by jayliu.jiayu@gamil.com View Post
i wanna be as fast as i can not more laps
RE71R or Yok A052 as far as streetable track tires go...

Quote:
tire wearing show me i need some camber for front tire to be fast
yeah, you want -3 or more front camber...

Quote:
i like to be familiar with re71 first and more on to the 100 grade tires
RE71R and A052 are labeled "200 treadwear", but they are up there with NT01, R888R etc. in terms of grip and lap times. It was back and forth but last year I went a couple of tenths faster in the TT on 225 RE71R vs. 235 NT01s.
ZDan is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to ZDan For This Useful Post:
Icecreamtruk (08-05-2019)
Old 08-04-2019, 08:19 PM   #40
wparsons
Senior Member
 
wparsons's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Drives: 2013 Asphalt FR-S Manual
Location: Whitby, ON, Canada
Posts: 6,565
Thanks: 7,367
Thanked 3,205 Times in 2,066 Posts
Mentioned: 98 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by jayliu.jiayu@gamil.com View Post
u just dont get wut i need in there

i wanna be as fast as i can not more laps
tire wearing show me i need some camber for front tire to be fast

i like to be familiar with re71 first and more on to the 100 grade tires
thx for the help tho

will post up once i got my alignment

I don't think you get what you actually need... if you're not already driving to the full potential of the car and setup then you need seat time, not faster tires. Faster tires will give you a tiny plateau of being faster, but if you're actually trying to be a faster driver that's not the best path. If you're not logging data and analyzing it to see where you're losing time, then you're also leaving a TON of time on the table.

RE71R's are actually quicker than some of the older 100tw tires, RA1's, R888R's, NT01's, etc as well.
__________________
Light travels faster than sound, so people may appear to be bright until you hear them speak...
flickr
wparsons is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-04-2019, 10:03 PM   #41
jayliu.jiayu@gamil.com
Senior Member
 
jayliu.jiayu@gamil.com's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Drives: 2017_86 2016_frs 2007_335i
Location: victoria Canada
Posts: 166
Thanks: 16
Thanked 9 Times in 7 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by wparsons View Post
I don't think you get what you actually need... if you're not already driving to the full potential of the car and setup then you need seat time, not faster tires. Faster tires will give you a tiny plateau of being faster, but if you're actually trying to be a faster driver that's not the best path. If you're not logging data and analyzing it to see where you're losing time, then you're also leaving a TON of time on the table.

RE71R's are actually quicker than some of the older 100tw tires, RA1's, R888R's, NT01's, etc as well.

hum...... u really not going to stop this,
i had track the stock car in the same circuit 6times

then i move to the tire and brake
also got a seat just because corner 2
right now, got harrys laptimer and gopro

so will get that gap number on my next track day


i understand wut r u trying to say, and that s y i keep my stock suspension


try the re71 first, i think u will love it!
__________________
jayliu.jiayu@gamil.com is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-05-2019, 01:00 AM   #42
Cole
Not a troll
 
Cole's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Drives: FR-S
Location: Canada
Posts: 4,980
Thanks: 8,209
Thanked 5,160 Times in 2,601 Posts
Mentioned: 263 Post(s)
Tagged: 4 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by jayliu.jiayu@gamil.com View Post
hum...... u really not going to stop this,
i had track the stock car in the same circuit 6times

then i move to the tire and brake
also got a seat just because corner 2
right now, got harrys laptimer and gopro

so will get that gap number on my next track day


i understand wut r u trying to say, and that s y i keep my stock suspension


try the re71 first, i think u will love it!
As far as I know, @wparsons likely has quite a bit more seat time than you do. You’re doing yourself a disservice to be shit canning the advice he’s giving you...
Cole is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Cole For This Useful Post:
wparsons (08-05-2019)
 
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Question About Negative Camber: More Negative Camber == More Grip at Corner? Figo Suspension | Chassis | Brakes -- Sponsored by 949 Racing 38 03-10-2019 02:08 PM
Question about wheel/tire fittment Jolt182 Wheels | Tires | Spacers | Hub -- Sponsored by The Tire Rack 7 04-27-2015 12:51 AM
Question about adjustable LCA's vs Camber Plates vs Camber Bolts djdnz Suspension | Chassis | Brakes -- Sponsored by 949 Racing 13 03-27-2013 11:38 PM
Camber Question subaruatheart Suspension | Chassis | Brakes -- Sponsored by 949 Racing 10 03-24-2013 01:49 PM
Fittment question digital_assassin Wheels | Tires | Spacers | Hub -- Sponsored by The Tire Rack 1 08-09-2012 12:21 AM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:04 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Garage vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.