2016 Honda Civic Thread (10th gen)

[bofa]

http://www.civicx.com/threads/2016-h...oit-and-la.99/

Well the hatchback isn't debuting yet but the sedan is being shown on 9/16 in LA and Detroit. Teaser pic...



Nicer silhouette than the current one thats for sure. Just wish they were showing the coupe same day.

[Packofcrows]

Make it AWD and I might consider one. 275whp would do it.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by Packofcrows

Make it AWD and I might consider one. 275whp would do it.

So basically buy the Focus RS?


I really wanted to love the CTR but I can't get over what it will cost for what you get. The RS is the better buy unless Honda somehow makes the CTR feel extremely raw like the good Type R's of yesteryear.


I suspect they will fail on that.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Yes, and Ford themselves came out with an actual press release saying so. Seems to be mostly the Japanese manufacturers that will not make official announcements to far in advance. They throw the concept cars into shows and then let the bogs run wild with speculation and don't say a word to correct the misinformation. Almost seems like a marketing ploy sometimes.

The RS was basically the worst kept secret ever so no surprise that they announced it so early. Their employees were dropping such obvious hints that it wasn't hard to figure out


Going to drive the GT350 at Sebring at a Ford PR/Ford Performance 3/10ths lap day in Oct. Going to ask about when they are doing on for the RS and try to get on that list.


It's a sad world when the 3 new cars I'd most consider are a Miata and two Fords.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

The RS was basically the worst kept secret ever so no surprise that they announced it so early. Their employees were dropping such obvious hints that it wasn't hard to figure out


Going to drive the GT350 at Sebring at a Ford PR/Ford Performance 3/10ths lap day in Oct. Going to ask about when they are doing on for the RS and try to get on that list.


It's a sad world when the 3 new cars I'd most consider are a Miata and two Fords.

Can't say the Miata will ever be on my list.
We had some product development engineers from Ford at our plant on Monday. The one guy was driving a 16 Mustang GT (don't believe they are released for sale yet?) and I asked him how he liked it. He threw me the keys and said "if you wreck it don't come back". Took it out for about 1/2 an hour. I was never a Mustang fan ever but in 3 more years when it is time to change cars again...
I will also be keeping a close eye on the RS and by the time I am ready they should have been out for a while and I will know exactly what they are like.
As you said I would never, ever, in a million years think that a Ford would end up on my watch list and now I have two as well.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Can't say the Miata will ever be on my list.
We had some product development engineers from Ford at our plant on Monday. The one guy was driving a 16 Mustang GT (don't believe they are released for sale yet?) and I asked him how he liked it. He threw me the keys and said "if you wreck it don't come back". Took it out for about 1/2 an hour. I was never a Mustang fan ever but in 3 more years when it is time to change cars again...
I will also be keeping a close eye on the RS and by the time I am ready they should have been out for a while and I will know exactly what they are like.
As you said I would never, ever, in a million years think that a Ford would end up on my watch list and now I have two as well.

New Miata is faster than the BRZ

I really just like it's weight. BRZ/FRS is a fat pig in comparison. The backseat is worthless so not much of a loss there.

I really wish the Miata was available as a coupe too though. Roadsters in Florida heat are just dumb unless you are one of those idiots who actually like high 90s 100+ heat index high humidity weather.

Ford has been the best of the American car companies IMO for awhile. At least they had someone with a brain that was able to make the decision to lose money in order to rebuild the brand BEFORE the friggen thing failed. Their trucks have always been pretty good, just the cars I would have steered clear of before for the most part

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

New Miata is faster than the BRZ

I really just like it's weight. BRZ/FRS is a fat pig in comparison. The backseat is worthless so not much of a loss there.

I really wish the Miata was available as a coupe too though. Roadsters in Florida heat are just dumb unless you are one of those idiots who actually like high 90s 100+ heat index high humidity weather.

Ford has been the best of the American car companies IMO for awhile. At least they had someone with a brain that was able to make the decision to lose money in order to rebuild the brand BEFORE the friggen thing failed. Their trucks have always been pretty good, just the cars I would have steered clear of before for the most part

Not a matter of what is faster for me (I know that seems at odds with choices of Fords that I have stated) but more that I like the way they have upped the quality.

Not liking the Miata more for practical reasons. I don't use the back seat much but still want the option when I need it. Besides the reverse to your Florida issue applies here. I need a car I can drive year round and that convertible just plain sucks in a Canadian winter.

[Packofcrows]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

So basically buy the Focus RS?


I really wanted to love the CTR but I can't get over what it will cost for what you get. The RS is the better buy unless Honda somehow makes the CTR feel extremely raw like the good Type R's of yesteryear.


I suspect they will fail on that.

Ive had near death experiences with Ford. Dislike them too much. After a month of owning one id probably look at it and sigh away.

[bofa]

Originally Posted by Packofcrows

Make it AWD and I might consider one. 275whp would do it.

Amazing the FWD type r beat out AWD cars including the Audi RS3 and the RWD M3. Not too shabby if you ask me and at a much cheaper price point.

[rice_classic]

I think the leaders at Honda actually hate cars. The only way I could design a car like that is if I actually hated cars to begin with... Or more acutely, hated car drivers.

Buying a Honda seems very much on par with the phenomenon known as "voting against your interests".

I quit you Honda, while I cling desperately to my beloved CRX, the chariot among chariots.

[bofa]

Originally Posted by rice_classic

I think the leaders at Honda actually hate cars. The only way I could design a car like that is if I actually hated cars to begin with... Or more acutely, hated car drivers.

Buying a Honda seems very much on par with the phenomenon known as "voting against your interests".

I quit you Honda, while I cling desperately to my beloved CRX, the chariot among chariots.

I see nothing about the Type R that tells me they hate cars. Yes the current standard Civic is a shit econobox but I think it has been the bean counters that have really mucked it up. The engineers have shown they know what they are doing when given free reign. They have done things with a FWD drivetrain that is pretty unheard of, only imagine what they could do if it were RWD.

[Ashikabi]

The current civics are shitty econoboxes(still super reliable though) because that's what the market wants. We all have to remember Honda is a business and enthusiasts are a minority. If more people demanded performance we would get it. But it goes back to the argument that all the people who want a turbo civic R want a cheap used civic R. If no one buys them new, there won't be used ones and Honda doesn't care about used car sales. They have to move brand new product. A 35000$ Civic won't sell well and they know it

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[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by rice_classic

I think the leaders at Honda actually hate cars. The only way I could design a car like that is if I actually hated cars to begin with... Or more acutely, hated car drivers.

Yeah, gotta go with the chorus on this one, Honda likes money more than they like cool cars. Seems like Mazda is the only manufacturer who prioritizes 'fun' on more than one or two models...

For the incredible amount of love the S2000 gets in certain groups it was a borderline flop, while this is from the end of the run (who's excited about a car built 10 years ago) my understanding is that S2000 sales always flagged:

Now that production has ended, Honda tells us that there are around 1,000 S2000s sitting on dealer lots awaiting a home.

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/09/01/r...mp-to-the-end/

Six year old comments are a kick, change S2000 to 86, any of the competitor cars to modern muscle or leave the Z car comparison and drop 'em into an article posted today and nobody would know the difference.

[rice_classic]

Originally Posted by bofa

The engineers have shown they know what they are doing when given free reign.

Be careful, that's not always a good thing. I know several engineers and giving them "free reign" can have ugly consequences.

Sometimes they need "guidance".

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