2017 Toyota 86 - new name, styling, and more power

[DAEMANO]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Let me be the first to say this. Certain angle, that front bumper looks nice... just certain angle, it's weird.

I'll have my final say AFTER seeing it in person.

Agreed.

Usually compound curves do not photograph well. Proportions tend to look "off". For the update, videos have looked much better than the photographs. In person, it should be even better. This is reminiscent of the very recent introduction of the Alfa Romeo Guilia and how the auto press is positively gushing over its' beauty, but in pics it doesn't totally translate.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by CatScan

I am NOT the target market for that ugly thing. I bought the car not because of its looks, but for what it is as a car. I do think the 13-16 is one sexy car, but this thing is trying way too hard.

How about leave the body alone and add 30 HP if you want ot make it "aggressive"?

They weren't "trying" to make it aggressive look. All the front design was made for purpose not just for the looks only. To be specific, aerodynamics. Yes, I agree that, it's not pretty as first gen. But I must say, certain angle, it looks nice. This is why, I'll hold my final judgement til I see it in person.

Add 30hp? Most of the owner can't drive this car to full potential in stock form... or worse, seeing owner wrapping their car around pole/tree with stock power, you gonna complain and asking to add extra 30hp? IDK

[CatScan]

Originally Posted by DAEMANO

Agreed.

Usually compound curves do not photograph well. Proportions tend to look "off". For the update, videos have looked much better than the photographs. In person, it should be even better. This is reminiscent of the very recent introduction of the Alfa Romeo Guilia and how the auto press is positively gushing over its' beauty, but in pics it doesn't totally translate.

Not even close in front-end ugliness. The front of the Alfa matches (mostly) the lines of the rest of the car. The 86 is easy cut-and-paste "aggressive" pathetic.

More incentive to drive mine until it's a "classic" I guess.

[DAEMANO]

Originally Posted by CatScan

Not even close in front-end ugliness. The front of the Alfa matches (mostly) the lines of the rest of the car. The 86 is easy cut-and-paste "aggressive" pathetic.

More incentive to drive mine until it's a "classic" I guess.

I get it, you don't like the redesign. I didn't care for the front and rear of the new Miatas (trouty front, sad-face rear). The point is, that all of that is subjective, but still photographs rarely reflect real-world objects as the brain sees it. Go ahead and vent all that frustration out though. I did.

[CatScan]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

They weren't "trying" to make it aggressive look. All the front design was made for purpose not just for the looks only. To be specific, aerodynamics. Yes, I agree that, it's not pretty as first gen. But I must say, certain angle, it looks nice. This is why, I'll hold my final judgement til I see it in person.

Add 30hp? Most of the owner can't drive this car to full potential in stock form... or worse, seeing owner wrapping their car around pole/tree with stock power, you gonna complain and asking to add extra 30hp? IDK

I disagree. The vid mentions the "aggressive" new front end, and a number of posters in this thread love it for that very reason. It may be for aero reasons, but why? The last thing a stock (or even moderately modded) 86 needs is front-end aero. Ugly-ass aero at that.

Re the extra HP, you do have a point.

[CatScan]

Originally Posted by DAEMANO

I get it, you don't like the redesign. I didn't care for the front and rear of the new Miatas (trouty front, sad-face rear). The point is, that all of that is subjective, but still photographs rarely reflect real-world objects as the brain sees it. Go ahead and vent all that frustration out though. I did.

I called my local Mazda dealer today, venting.

Added: Need a poll with breakout by age on the looks. Over 50 here, the 13-16 FR-S reminds me of classic cars I will never have the chance to own. The "new" 86 is a car I'd pass on just because of the dumbass-plastic-aggressive looks. A car that wears that face should be able to back it up when called out by a Prius.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by CatScan

I disagree. The vid mentions the "aggressive" new front end, and a number of posters in this thread love it for that very reason. I may be for aero reasons, but why? The last thing a stock 86 needs is front-end aero. Ugly-ass aero at that.

Re the extra HP, you do have a point.

Wait... vid is from the car journalist. That's HIS opinion. Not actual Toyota's goal. Same as you think, front-end aero was last thing they need to change. What you think it need to change vs what FT86 Project team think are totally different.

A lot of things have changed from 13~16 model vs 17 model. Can't say much til Toyota announce it with more detail info.

[CatScan]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Wait... vid is from the car journalist. That's HIS opinion. Not actual Toyota's goal. Same as you think, front-end aero was last thing they need to change. What you think it need to change vs what FT86 Project team think are totally different.

A lot of things have changed from 13~16 model vs 17 model. Can't say much til Toyota announce it with more detail info.

No, that was his opinion on what just hit the dealership, not what might be coming. I'm still chuckling over how pissed the re-badgers must be now that they are driving the "old" 86 nobody wants that anybody with any knowledge at all knows is a Scion. Double-fucked, they are.

So, more speculation nobody can talk about? Did we not just do that? Who is now on the FT86 project team? What are the goals? That at least must be public info.

If I was in charge of the 86 team, I would tell them leave the body alone. Nice enough, save the money. Give me 4k worth of HP, torque, suspension and brakes. Me, I'll take torque and suspension improvements.

[krayzie]

Originally Posted by CatScan

Over 50 here, the 13-16 FR-S reminds me of classic cars I will never have the chance to own.

I'm a 30 something and this is exactly the reason why I enjoy owning the BRZ, classic sports car feel and performance.

When I mention this to my friends they have a hard time understanding. They are mostly into owning new Porsches because they are fast, lux, and most importantly bragging rights.

The twins is probably too hardcore for today's marketplace hence this facelift.

[CatScan]

Originally Posted by krayzie

I'm a 30 something and this is exactly the reason why I enjoy owning the BRZ, classic sports car feel and performance.

When I mention this to my friends they have a hard time understanding. They are mostly into owning new Porsches because they are fast, lux, and most importantly bragging rights.

The twins is probably too hardcore for today's marketplace hence this facelift.

I think we can agree most Porche's will eat the 86 alive if the driver in the Porche is alive as well, which is rare. It's the design intent behind the FR-S that matters. Hanging useless, ugly plastic on a car and calling it a "refresh" does not give me the James May "fizzies". I want to believe that this small-market niche car will survive and thrive as an oddball under the boring Toyota umbrella. All indications so far say no.

Added: Props to you!

[cyde01]

what's the general consensus on the new fender logo? i thought i liked it at first but the more i look at it the more the positioning seems random and out of place..

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by CatScan

No, that was his opinion on what just hit the dealership, not what might be coming. I'm still chuckling over how pissed the re-badgers must be now that they are driving the "old" 86 nobody wants that anybody with any knowledge at all knows is a Scion. Double-fucked, they are.

So, more speculation nobody can talk about? Did we not just do that? Who is now on the FT86 project team? What are the goals? That at least must be public info.

If I was in charge of the 86 team, I would tell them leave the body alone. Nice enough, save the money. Give me 4k worth of HP, torque, suspension and brakes. Me, I'll take torque and suspension improvements.

4K worth of hp can calculate to 2~3hp. You do know that, engine upgrade for automotive company vs aftermarket company is totally different right? You can't just upgrade just power. You have to upgrade that suspension to make sure even it handle the way it was meant to be.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Wait... vid is from the car journalist. That's HIS opinion. Not actual Toyota's goal. Same as you think, front-end aero was last thing they need to change. What you think it need to change vs what FT86 Project team think are totally different.

A lot of things have changed from 13~16 model vs 17 model. Can't say much til Toyota announce it with more detail info.

Ummmmm ichi


Toyota press release
"For its move to Toyota, the 86 sports car adopts more aggressive styling with a larger center intake emphasizing the low, wide stance of the car."

[Bristecom]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

They weren't "trying" to make it aggressive look. All the front design was made for purpose not just for the looks only. To be specific, aerodynamics.

I think if they really cared about aero, they would have done more work to the rear in making a real rear diffuser. And I still think they could have made it more aerodynamic (less lift/drag) without making it so ugly. I'm curious if they will even claim improved drag/lift numbers with this new style. I doubt it makes that much difference still.