Is 12lb total difference in weight going to affect a lot?

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by Yardjass

I find myself on a "slow car fast" forum listening to people willing to sacrifice cornering ability in order to make their slow car a little less slow.

Or make a slow car a bit faster Same thing but with more positive meaning ...


Personally, I live in Germany and I am following constantly the TMG 86 racings cars. Yes they run much wider and with slicks tires, but they are not THAT competitive. On the latest Nurburgring 24h race, there were at least four TMG 86 cars and they couldn't beat a single outdated(*) Renault Clio RS Cup car with a 2.0lt NA engine.


(*)The newest one has a 1.6lt turbo engine

[RayRay88]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

Or make a slow car a bit faster Same thing but with more positive meaning ...


Personally, I live in Germany and I am following constantly the TMG 86 racings cars. Yes they run much wider and with slicks tires, but they are not THAT competitive. On the latest Nurburgring 24h race, there were at least four TMG 86 cars and they couldn't beat a single outdated(*) Renault Clio RS Cup car with a 2.0lt NA engine.


(*)The newest one has a 1.6lt turbo engine

I'm puzzled by this.

In their class they won 2nd, 3rd, and 4th. Sure they lost out to Clio, but they also beat out an E36 and a Calibra, all while running just minutes off of the 24 hr mark. Maybe we have different definitions of competitive, but that's quite impressive for such a grueling race.

[Spuds]

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by RayRay88

I'm puzzled by this.

In their class they won 2nd, 3rd, and 4th. Sure they lost out to Clio, but they also beat out an E36 and a Calibra, all while running just minutes off of the 24 hr mark. Maybe we have different definitions of competitive, but that's quite impressive for such a grueling race.

The SP3 category is pretty much a "dead" class. As you said the other opponents were an E36 and a Calibra which are very very old cars. The only real opponent was a Renault and they lost.

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by Spuds

What is your issue? Try to grow up and learn!

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

What is your issue? Try to grow up and learn!

Yet another inflammatory post of little value. Didn't you... Meh, I'll just quote you.

Originally Posted by nikitopo

I have better things to do than killing my time in a forum.

Go do your better things.




Trust me folks, I've tried the logic and reason thing. What will happen is the person quoted above will pretend like it knows what it is talking about, cite some made up information that "proves" said theory (out of context of course), and ignore anything someone says that can actually prove it correct or incorrect. The point being to confuse people and get attention rather than actually find a solution. The person is not here to have a technical discussion, but rather fill their need to have attention.

See the following thread if you want evidence to judge for yourself. I'm sure there are others.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=127548

So if that's the kind of discussion you want, have at it. I just felt like it was necessary to warn you all before wasting your time.

[nikitopo]

I'll post whatever and whenever I like. It is not just my style to have flame wars and this is CERTAINLY a killing of time. In the other topic I didn't have to post anything else and that's it!

If you have to contribute anything on this topic, then just do it. Otherwise, you're starting to be a troll yourself.

[Leonardo]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

What is your issue? Try to grow up and learn!

Part of growing up and learning: People like different things and that is OK. Additionally, Just because a mod makes your car faster and in return you like your car better; doesn't mean someone else is going to like it at all. There CAN be differing opinions and have both be right.


Guys that want to run 18x9.5s all around are going to have that 12lbs extra wheel weight that this thread is about. And they love their wheels!!! And there are all the RPF1 guys that are not going to buy anything else. And each person is Happy. So, my point; they are both making choices that are correct for them.


I want to spread inclusivity and compassion for other enthusiasts.


I have owned 30+ cars. Lowriders W/hydros, Honda ricers, VIP Sedans, a rusty Farm truck, a mustang, a few boring cars, an ap1 S2000, and now a FR-S just to name a few. Anyway, each type of car I owned "belonged" do a different group. Most of these groups make fun of all other cars. This is madness - WE are ALL petrol-heads!

[nikitopo]

@Leonardo I totally agree with you! My only issue is when people don't understand some other opinion and want to label it as something entirely wrong. It would be much better to accept it as a possibility. Even myself I considered to have a second pair of wider wheels, but currently I'm living in a country with very long straights and no speed limits (= autobahn). Additionally the race tracks I have access are considered high speed. What's the point to have much more grip? Better looks is also an option, but not my personal priority.

[weederr33]

More of this again? -___-

[Yardjass]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

Or make a slow car a bit faster Same thing but with more positive meaning ...


Personally, I live in Germany and I am following constantly the TMG 86 racings cars. Yes they run much wider and with slicks tires, but they are not THAT competitive. On the latest Nurburgring 24h race, there were at least four TMG 86 cars and they couldn't beat a single outdated(*) Renault Clio RS Cup car with a 2.0lt NA engine.


(*)The newest one has a 1.6lt turbo engine

No, I definitely meant slower, as in slower in a straight line. That's the tradeoff we were discussing, is it not?


Also, the ring is a big time power circuit so I'm not surprised at those results. 2.0 vs. 2.0, I would expect things like unsprung rotational mass, aerodynamics, and gearing to be the difference makers.

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by Yardjass

No, I definitely meant slower, as in slower in a straight line. That's the tradeoff we were discussing, is it not?

If you go wider? Yes, that's the tradeoff.

[SuperTom]

I have wheel/tire combo 6lbs lighter per side and can defiantly feels quicker and responsive. If you can go bigger and keep weight at stock levels then it shouldn't hurt at all in acceleration and help grip. People that go bigger also increase diameter which hurts acceleration so keeping stock diameter is important too.

If you have massive horsepower than nothing I said above applies as much

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by SuperTom

I have wheel/tire combo 6lbs lighter per side and can defiantly feels quicker and responsive. If you can go bigger and keep weight at stock levels then it shouldn't hurt at all in acceleration and help grip. People that go bigger also increase diameter which hurts acceleration so keeping stock diameter is important too.

If you have massive horsepower than nothing I said above applies as much

Actually wheel weight would technically be more important if you have more power, at least under acceleration. The faster you accelerate a wheel's rotation, the more torque is needed for that acceleration. So the same mass wheel will suck more otherwise useful torque if the cars acceleration is greater.

That being said, I agree that the need for lightweight wheels is outweighed by the need for more rear grip when you have a large excess of torque. Yay balance!