FT86 as a 2-seat sports car

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I for one would not have bought if a two seater. The rear seats may not be great but at least they are there when needed.

same here, i need them back seats.

Besides, if you want a 2 seater theres a bunch of alternatives.
Miata, Nissan Z, Supra (which the 2 seat FT86 more or less would be...but with a more powerful turbo engine, and more upscale interior)

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

same here, i need them back seats.

Besides, if you want a 2 seater theres a bunch of alternatives.
Miata, Nissan Z, Supra (which the 2 seat FT86 more or less would be...but with a more powerful turbo engine, and more upscale interior)

The Supra is a good example of how the car would be about the same size even with just two seats.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

same here, i need them back seats.

Besides, if you want a 2 seater theres a bunch of alternatives.
Miata, Nissan Z, Supra (which the 2 seat FT86 more or less would be...but with a more powerful turbo engine, and more upscale interior)

Originally Posted by Tcoat

The Supra is a good example of how the car would be about the same size even with just two seats.

Look at the driver’s seat. The MKIV and 86 looks more similar compared to the MKV, which looks more rearward. The MKV has an extra two cylinders and a shorter wheelbase, which shortens the cabin length.

I think the argument is to remove the extra weight and make the car a more focused and better handling sporty car by moving weight back. While the other options are there, the Miata is smaller than some would like and doesn’t come as a dedicated, lightweight coupe. The Z is heavy and the sedan global architecture is tailored for four seats, which is why the driver sits so central and close to the engine. The Supra is too heavy and doesn’t come with a manual.

I understand it would suck losing a 2+2 RWD economy sporty car, but there are many coupe compacts, pony cars and hot hatches that are 2+2, but there are few dedicated 2-seater coupes at this price point. The next car is the Cayman, Lotus, Corvette, Supra, Jaguar, etc. and several are mid-engine in that group.

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

The Supra is a good example of how the car would be about the same size even with just two seats.

No it isn't...

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

With the understanding that this whole topic is based upon theories and wishes there was probably no way they could make the rear much shorter even if it was only a two seater. North American crash standards have a minimum crumple distance for both front and rear which can be difficult to meet.

The Miata proves you can have a small 2-seat car and meet crash standards.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by ZDan

The Miata proves you can have a small 2-seat car and meet crash standards.

It proves a Miata can yes. Thought I made that part clear.

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

same here, i need them back seats.

Besides, if you want a 2 seater theres a bunch of alternatives.
Miata, Nissan Z, Supra (which the 2 seat FT86 more or less would be...but with a more powerful turbo engine, and more upscale interior)

I don't want a convertible, and the RF Miata is not for me either as it doesn't offer any greater utility, and adds weight up high, and $$$. The others are much heavier cars, not interested in a luxury sedan transmogrified into a "sports" car.

Compromises were made, and 2+2 was the chosen layout for broader appeal. I'm glad we have the car as it is. I'd just prefer a smaller, lighter-weight, better-balanced, shorter-wheelbase 2-seat version.

[blackhawkdown]

I don’t miss the rear seats in the Supra. I do however miss reclining my seat all the way back. Too bad I have a rear bar blocking my seat.




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[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I for one would not have bought if a two seater. The rear seats may not be great but at least they are there when needed.

I did a road trip to Disneyland with the niece and nephew in the back, and I think maybe two or three times in 6 years I unnecessarily put someone in the back. The use doesn’t justify their existence for me. Having the 2+2 was also necessary for my purchase, until I realized a few years into the ownership how unnecessary they were. For me, having them was necessary like how people say they need to own a SUV or truck because they may need them, when, for the majority of people, they just don’t, but I understand the sentiment, even if I no longer think the same. Again, the world is filled with sporty passenger cars. It would have been nice for a dedicated 2-seater coupe. That is why this car is so much more GT than a true, lightweight, sports car like some people like to argue.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

I did a road trip to Disneyland with the niece and nephew in the back, and I think maybe two or three times in 6 years I unnecessarily put someone in the back. The use doesn’t justify their existence for me. Having the 2+2 was also necessary for my purchase, until I realized a few years into the ownership how unnecessary they were. For me, having them was necessary like how people say they need to own a SUV or truck because they may need them, when, for the majority of people, they just don’t, but I understand the sentiment, even if I no longer think the same. Again, the world is filled with sporty passenger cars. It would have been nice for a dedicated 2-seater coupe. That is why this car is so much more GT than a true, lightweight, sports car like some people like to argue.

I don't often have anybody back here but when I need to I need to and a two seater wouldn't suit my needs at all.
I have always maintained to was a GT car. It is right in the name for crying out loud!

[Ohio Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

The use doesn’t justify their existence for me.

For me the +2 seats allowed me to have the BRZ as the second car and being able to drive a fun car in many more circumstances than a 2 seater (which would have been a third car and would have been driven almost exclusively for fun (i.e. not much)). I suppose when my kids grow bigger and complain enough about the rear seats I'll need to revisit this...

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I don't often have anybody back here but when I need to I need to and a two seater wouldn't suit my needs at all.
I have always maintained to was a GT car. It is right in the name for crying out loud!

BRZ, FR-S, 86, GR86, "right in the name"?

A 2-seat version need not eliminate the 2+2 anyway...

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by ZDan

BRZ, FR-S, 86, GR86, "right in the name"?

A 2-seat version need not eliminate the 2+2 anyway...

Well, GT86. We know what he meant.

The 300ZX and RX7 had a 2+2 option while being 2 seats, but they weren’t as rear biased as traditional 2-seaters. I would want the more traditional 2-seater size. A Miata couldn’t realistically be a 2+2.

[NoHaveMSG]

Then you have the same issue as a miata, can't fit a set of track tires in it.