Boost, N/A or trade her in ?

[Cal3000]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

No. So....much... misinformation.

I fail to see where the misinformation is. Everything he said is pretty much spot on.
You can technically get your FI set up, if you take the right steps, cheaper than a GT or SS.
A 300whp twin is faster than a stock GT or SS.

[Summerwolf]

Not on aveage they aren't. You aren't taking into account the broad torque curve of most v8s compared to the relatively narrow power band of the fa20.

To do many of the nicer fi options with tuning and fueling you are in the 7-8k range then add clutch and other supporting mods and you are right at the price point (new to new) of many base model muscle cars. Fact is... you need to do a lot to even keep up in a straight line and it isn't cheap.

I have never seen an 86 run a low 13 in real life on the drag strip. Videos of that feet are pretty few as well. I have seen countless camaros and muscle cars running high 12s stock.

[FRS Justin]

Are craving something for the street or the track? If your trying to get a race car feeling on the street you better have deep pockets. The track will tear up a street car and the street will tear up a race car.

[Cal3000]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

Not on aveage they aren't. You aren't taking into account the broad torque curve of most v8s compared to the relatively narrow power band of the fa20.

To do many of the nicer fi options with tuning and fueling you are in the 7-8k range then add clutch and other supporting mods and you are right at the price point (new to new) of many base model muscle cars. Fact is... you need to do a lot to even keep up in a straight line and it isn't cheap.

I have never seen an 86 run a low 13 in real life on the drag strip. Videos of that feet are pretty few as well. I have seen countless camaros and muscle cars running high 12s stock.

I have a Vortech. It probably has the lowest torque out of all the FI options and a very linear powerband and I still pull on SS and GTs. The stock clutch was holding. You are not taking into account the weight of the twins vs those cars either which is almost a good 1000 lbs lighter than both.

Here is what I spent.
New FRS- $26k
SC Kit- $4100
Invidia Exhaust-$700
Invidia Front pipe+Over pipe- $350
Moto East Flex Fuel Kit-$600
Fuel Pump-$140
Flex Fuel and Pump gas tune-$1200

So you are hitting $33,090 for a 300+whp setup that is fairly reliable with a good tune.
If I remember, a few guys on here were hitting low 13s on pump gas tunes spinning their way through first and 2nd gear. If they can actually hook, they will hit high 12s fairly easy.

[Summerwolf]

Do you have videos of these races? Without timeslips its all bench racing anyway.

Weight doesn't need to be accounted for when stock muscle cars are still consistently running better times than most forced induction twins. Its just a different kind of car. Dollar for dollar, even without a clutch you spent what you could get in to a muscle car. Easily. You actually helped prove my point.

[FRS Justin]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

Do you have videos of these races? Without timeslips its all bench racing anyway.

Weight doesn't need to be accounted for when stock muscle cars are still consistently running better times than most forced induction twins. Its just a different kind of car. Dollar for dollar, even without a clutch you spent what you could get in to a muscle car. Easily. You actually helped prove my point.

My n/a car at mid 13s so a F/I running 12s is doable


[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzLqo6-VYR8"]13 47 frs - YouTube[/ame]


How many videos do you want of me kicking a mustang ass at the track? I literally have 100s of them. Challengers too, few Camaros also, all N/A. I made it to the final 4 out of a 16 field at IFO got beat by a modded GTR F/I running low 9s when I went F/I.. So if the GTR would have been stock running its 11s I would of beat him and went to 2nd. and I have a lot less in my car than a stock GTR cost or a SRT challenger or a Shelby Mustang.

[Summerwolf]

You are talking about bracket racing with the gtr. Post up hundreds of videos that would be great! You are actually proving more and more my point. So you went 13.5 at 100 with modifications, a lot of the newer muscle cars are trapping 108 + stock.

I love this car, but it is by no means a fast car. Thats the only thing I am saying.

[FRS Justin]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

You are talking about bracket racing with the gtr. Post up hundreds of videos that would be great! You are actually proving more and more my point. So you went 13.5 at 100 with modifications, a lot of the newer muscle cars are trapping 108 + stock.

I love this car, but it is by no means a fast car. Thats the only thing I am saying.

Your right its a total turd in stock form, but I was still N/A I only had a tune cold air intake and exhaust and flex fuel. The mustangs had the same mods minus flex fuel. It's the weight difference that helped the most. All I'm saying is I can build a 86 cheaper than I can buy any muscle car or GTR in equivalent form and out perform it for less money a lot less.


The GTR was heads up not bracket, I received no head start.
I ll work on posting vids to youtube

[Summerwolf]

I will agree to disagree. Cost wise I just couldn't see it new for new. Bring in used examples and it gets worse from there.

[Cal3000]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

You are talking about bracket racing with the gtr. Post up hundreds of videos that would be great! You are actually proving more and more my point. So you went 13.5 at 100 with modifications, a lot of the newer muscle cars are trapping 108 + stock.

I love this car, but it is by no means a fast car. Thats the only thing I am saying.

ETAs tell one story. Trap speed tell another. A 300whp twin will probably always trap higher than a GT or SS.
The twins are not drag cars. They are not set up that way, but will always come out on top in a roll race.

[Summerwolf]

Not when those cars are trapping higher..... I know how drag racing works, lol.

[FatFree]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

Weight doesn't need to be accounted for...

🤔

[FRS Justin]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

I will agree to disagree. Cost wise I just couldn't see it new for new. Bring in used examples and it gets worse from there.

RT base 32990
SRT 8 Hellcat 64195
mustang 5.0 32300
mustang gt350 49995
mustang gt350r 63495
GTR 101770


86/ 26125
parts to compete


tune 300
header 698
exhaust 586
air intake 244


total 1828 + 26125 = 27953


5.0 mustang 32300 - 27953 = 4347 savings


RT challenger 32990 - 27953 = 5037 savings
and the savings will be even more when you factor the mods on the muscle cars.


gt350r 63495 - 27953 = 35542


gt350 49995 - 27953 = 22042



hellcat 64195 - 27953 = 36242


GTR 101770 - 27953 = 73817


I am pretty sure I can build a F/I motor combo and all supporting mods for this much money. I really feel sorry for the GTR guys..


I'm not trying to start a argument I'm really not, I just want to show you my thought process.


Thanks for the respect shown in your disagreement I appreciate it and will try to show you the same respect.


PS some people that want to extend the beating in the N/A class can get gears for a additional 1000 and it still will be under budget


prices from manufactures website accept gears and exhaust and intake that was google adds at reputable sales company

[FRS Justin]

Originally Posted by Cal3000

ETAs tell one story. Trap speed tell another. A 300whp twin will probably always trap higher than a GT or SS.
The twins are not drag cars. They are not set up that way, but will always come out on top in a roll race.

I would love to say I agree with all this but there are some major factors can ruin a 300whp 86's day real quick you would better off racing from a dig then a roll against a big v8. Think of it like this a man with long legs racing a midget' the midget might get out of the hole quicker but once them long legs get moving mini me is going to get passed like he is sitting still over a distance. The longer motor stroke comes into play. plus no car is a drag car from the factory nor is it a track car. mods will be made for performance gains. Only exceptions are ford dodge and gm all have 9 sec factory drag cars they sell ex. the gm copo.