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03-02-2021, 11:06 AM | #29 |
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To me, the whole point of the article, to me, is that Americans with sports car buying power, (more so than similar demographics in other countries) are "over" numbers cars. And want the experience.
Stark contrast to the Germans, for instance, who think if something is faster and more efficient it's better. I'm generalizing, but it certainly seems those are their reasons every time a newer, more detached, generation of German car comes out.
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I do agree that no one is really complaining or demanding a change outside of a small set of vocal enthusiasts. It’ll be the same with sedans when they eventually dwindle. It’ll be the same with ICE when they go. It’ll be the same when they mandate autonomous driving and no one is allowed to drive for themselves. The only ones complaining will be a small percentage of vocal enthusiasts.
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Stating the obvious, when you're in a business where you have to project out what the buying public will want 3 to 5 years in the future, you are going to only focus on one of those. The lose of sedans (and wagons) totally sucks, but unfortunately if they don't build them, I can't buy them so I have to move on. I think that is a far greater loss than the MT.
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There's plenty of existing lightly used sedans for you to buy and drive the rest of your life.
Instead of giving in and buying the sh*t they force on you.
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That's the plan.
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Its quite upsetting, but we do what we can.
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If we used the landscape of available cars as a barometer for what demand exists then we learn that the demand is for FWD crossovers, but luxury owners seem to demand AWD and RWD. Orrrrr, maybe FWD is cheap and better for fuel economy. I think the manual transmission was just a victim of profits. I don’t know if demand ever existed for the manual transmission. It was just cheaper and better for fuel economy and automatics were expensive and worse until they weren’t. All I’m saying is the manual transmission didn’t need to be phased out. It just was because it wasn’t needed.
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The 911's 7 speed box is pretty versatile, since the 7th is a true cruising gear, and 1st is a touch shorter. The problem is of course that in North America, you kind of can just skip to 7th since you won't need to be accelerating at >>100mph anywhere but the salt flats or something. |
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If they need to make the gearing like this for top end then they need to make a variable final drive ratio or something to switch between this ridiculous gearing and something useable.
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https://www.carthrottle.com/post/wha...urns-its-back/
I think this is a case of enthusiasts wanting a manual, but many enthusiasts don’t buy new, so used demand is higher than new demand like I’ve said before. They said only 4% of F-Types were manual, but the manual was only available on the V6, so not the R or SVR where many enthusiasts are buyers, albeit wealthy enthusiasts. What enthusiast wants the base power? Mustang GT350 and GT350R came with a manual, but not the F-Type R model. Oh well. https://carbuzz.com/features/here-s-...thusiasts-want https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cul...o-enthusiasts/ Like I said, it seems like enthusiasts buy used. Makes sense. As enthusiasts, we are car savvy. We don’t buy the first releases or years of new models. We tend to modify cars, so we can add a new aftermarket bumper or carbon fiber lip to a used car; no need for a new one. We want to buy the best performance car we can, so we could buy a new car or a used car that is more powerful. I could go on. https://www.google.com/amp/s/fortune...tang-cost/amp/ Comparing then vs now and adjusting for inflation, cars are more expensive today, yet people make less money, so of course it is that much harder owning a second vehicle or single vehicle, as an enthusiast. It is just another reason why sports cars are going and so is the manual with them.
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Probably also doesn't help that the manual in the F-Type had a long throw according to the article and wasn't that great.
Probably also doesn't help that most sports cars get dealer markups, especially those ultra rare manual models. I feel like every used car post on craigslist gets the, "rare manual" title, so I wouldn't be surprised if the dealers do the same.
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