Toyota GR SPORTS EV Concept could be an electric MR2 successor / Toyota FT-Se Concept

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I hacked Toyota and got the original design.

I went for the origin story....

https://www.motor1.com/news/297961/t...s-car-concept/

[chipmunk]

Forbes has become basically another blog site for pseudo-journalists, no better than Yahoo or MSN. But the rumors about an M-R Toyota have been flying around for a while.
Recall the days before 2022 BRZ/86 was released - rumors ranged from "no changes" to "300hp turbo brah!".

Take everything with a pound of salt.

[Lantanafrs2]

The bullshit being tossed around here by supposed "insiders" regarding the current generation of 86 a few yrs ago make these click bait articles look like the farmers almanac.

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Wait!
That was supposed to be the joint venture with Lotus car!
https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterly...h=579658873590

Oh and Porsche back in 2019
https://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-ne...-ar186367.html

Oh and Porsche AND Lotus in 2021
https://carbuzz.com/news/toyota-mr2-...p-from-porsche

"Image courtesy of Toyota" my ass.
There are an awful lot of "wills" in the article without a single source listed.
File it as complete and total bullshit that only the dumbest of the dumb fall for.

The funny thing about the porsche rumor was that it was Tada only mentioning that he'd love to collab with Porsche to create a new MR2 and nothing more.
And after several rumor blogs and the telephone effect, it somehow became "Toyota is collabing with porsche to create an MR2!"

I think the lotus one was the same way, except it was just theorycraft mathematics that turned it into a rumor.
-Lotus makes small midengined sports car (Elise) + Toyota has midengine sports car before (MR2) + Lotus borrows Toyota powertrain (2zz and 2GR, i think a 1ZZ got in there for a period when the 2ZZ had to go due to emissions) + 3rd gen MRS with 2zz swap turns it into a poor mans elise = TOYOTA AND LOTUS WILL PAIR UP TO MAKE A NEXT GEN MR2/SPORTS CAR!!!

[chipmunk]

If you rearrange the letters of LOTUS, ELISE, MID-ENGINE, TOYOTA... and remove a few... you get ILLUMINATI. Alternatively you can also spell ILOOMINATY, whichever you choose.

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

Lotus makes small midengined sports car (Elise) + Toyota has midengine sports car before (MR2) + Lotus borrows Toyota powertrain (2zz and 2GR, i think a 1ZZ got in there for a period when the 2ZZ had to go due to emissions) + 3rd gen MRS with 2zz swap turns it into a poor mans elise = TOYOTA AND LOTUS WILL PAIR UP TO MAKE A NEXT GEN MR2/SPORTS CAR!!!

[80beh]

Suzuki need to donate the sweet K14C engine. Some tuner in UK managed to extract close to 300hp out of it with stock internal.

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

to be fair the only outlier in this group is actually Suzuki, Toyota owns Daihatsu i think.

Toyota holds a 4.94% stake in Suzuki, while Suzuki holds 0.2% stake in Toyota.
Wiki

[Red-86]

Originally Posted by chipmunk

From Forbes:

Japan’s No 1 carmaker is joining forces with small car experts Suzuki and Daihatsu to build a compact sports car.

Expect these three coupes to land in showrooms in 2025, with the as yet unnamed sports cars’ price hovering in the mid $20,000s.

Lol, as much as I wish this was true, it seems very unlikely. If something were to arise from such a collab, it is more likely to end up as a ‘Japan only’ kei car, like the S660. In fact, it would likely end up with a 660ml engine to fit within the kei regs, maybe with a 1L option for those Japanese prepared to pay full price. Almost no chance of such a car being sold outside Japan if it even happens.

If Toyota were really going to make a dedicated new MR2, I think it’s more likely it would be an EV like the styling concept they showed a while ago.



https://www.thedrive.com/news/43507/...like-a-new-mr2

But even that is unlikely to ever enter production - it played its role as a styling concept and will soon be forgotten. A shame, because a tiny RWD EV sports coupe that is affordable would be one way to entice me out of my ICE RWD and into an EV instead.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Red-86

But even that is unlikely to ever enter production - it played its role as a styling concept and will soon be forgotten..

If the auto manufacturers would take all the money and energy the sink into "styling concepts" and "show car concepts" they never plan to build and instead work on vehicle designs they actually can use/build, maybe Toyota could once again design an "all Toyota" sports car rather than just modifying and rebranding someone else's car.

[chipmunk]

Best Car from Japan has, more often than not, turned out to be very realistic. Renderings can be old concept designs, but I give it more credibility than most, if not all, US auto webpages.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

If the auto manufacturers would talk all the money and energy the sink into "styling concepts" and "show car concepts" they never plan to build and instead work on vehicle designs the actually can use, maybe Toyota could once again design an "all Toyota" sports car rather than just modifying and rebranding someone else's car.

90% of what is presented as "concept" cars by the clickbaits are just renders made by some random dude on the internet with a totally fictional backstory.
The few that actually are real are often just a shell that didn't cost much to make anyway.
Anything that actually has a chassis and drivetrain will, more often than not, make it to production in some form so the investment is worth it.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Red-86

Lol, as much as I wish this was true, it seems very unlikely. If something were to arise from such a collab, it is more likely to end up as a ‘Japan only’ kei car, like the S660. In fact, it would likely end up with a 660ml engine to fit within the kei regs, maybe with a 1L option for those Japanese prepared to pay full price. Almost no chance of such a car being sold outside Japan if it even happens.

If Toyota were really going to make a dedicated new MR2, I think it’s more likely it would be an EV like the styling concept they showed a while ago.



https://www.thedrive.com/news/43507/...like-a-new-mr2

But even that is unlikely to ever enter production - it played its role as a styling concept and will soon be forgotten. A shame, because a tiny RWD EV sports coupe that is affordable would be one way to entice me out of my ICE RWD and into an EV instead.

EXACTLY! They have been showing that EV sportscar for months now.
Although they have been showing the proposed lineup as both Toyota AND Lexus models. There is a strong probability that all the cars shown will indeed hit production but the EV sportscar could be a Lexus as easily as a Toyota. That would make it a whole different kettle of fish.

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

EXACTLY! They have been showing that EV sportscar for months now.
Although they have been showing the proposed lineup as both Toyota AND Lexus models. There is a strong probability that all the cars shown will indeed hit production but the EV sportscar could be a Lexus as easily as a Toyota. That would make it a whole different kettle of fish.

If you throw in that GT3 racer they showed off not long ago, then its possible that the Lexus would exclusively get the EV super/sports car and if Toyota got something, it'll be that GT3 racer variant (to be fair...aside from racing who knows if that GT3 racer gets a production car and whether it goes to Toyota, Lexus or both)

There is a rumor that Lexus is working on 2 variants of the LFA successor, that BEV supercar and some other one utilizing a new hybrid TT V8 (could be the continued development of the TT V8 that Lexus WAS working on before the whole pandemic and gas prices went to shit) Of course they both COULD use the same bodyshell but one being EV and one being ICE it might be different

Or Toyota ISNT getting some super expensive sportscar, as they add to their GR lineup (So the GR lineup, + possible MR2 revival and the other rumor i heard about was them collabing with Mazda to revive their RX7 and Toyota possibly reviving Celica nameplate for their version)

Lot of crazy sportscar rumors (with the only ones being remotely true are the Lexus BEV supercar and some kind of EV MR2 being considered) coming out of Toyota...of all companies lol.

[fredzy]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

If the auto manufacturers would talk all the money and energy the sink into "styling concepts" and "show car concepts" they never plan to build and instead work on vehicle designs the actually can use, maybe Toyota could once again design an "all Toyota" sports car rather than just modifying and rebranding someone else's car.

Feels like Toyota is getting pretty comfortable with spreading the burden. I figured the EV sports car thing would end up being another Subaru collab. Toyota is probably getting a little frustrated with the Subaru culture of catastrophe though. Wheels falling off, engines blowing up etc.