Random Thoughts - Part Deux [NO POLITICS]

[Sarlacc]

Originally Posted by cjd

Base 8 is superior for humans, one can easily count to 24 (yes, that's base 10…) with the digits on two average hands.

Octal? Please explain.

A friend of mine once argued we should be using base-6 for many reasons, one being we could use each hand for a digit and thus count to 35d with two hands.

[Sapphireho]

Originally Posted by Sarlacc

Octal? Please explain.

A friend of mine once argued we should be using base-6 for many reasons, one being we could use each hand for a digit and thus count to 35d with two hands.

Base 5.

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by Sarlacc

I know, I just took it as an excuse to rant on one of my many hangups.

Now, anyone care to debate the superiority of the metric system or the importance of backwards compatibility in information storage formats?
Because I've got hangups on those, too.

Not really ...... all I have to remember is what day of the week it is ......


humfrz

[Sarlacc]

Originally Posted by Sapphireho

Base 5.

No, base-6.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senary explains it better than I could:
"Each regular human hand may be said to have six unambiguous positions; a fist, one finger (or thumb) extended, two, three, four and then all five extended.
If the right hand is used to represent a unit, and the left to represent the 'sixes', it becomes possible for one person to represent the values from zero to 55senary (35decimal) with their fingers, rather than the usual ten obtained in standard finger counting. e.g. if three fingers are extended on the left hand and four on the right, 34senary is represented. This is equivalent to 3 × 6 + 4 which is 22decimal.
Which hand is used for the 'sixes' and which the units is down to preference on the part of the counter, however when viewed from the counter's perspective, using the left hand as the most significant digit correlates with the written representation of the same senary number. Flipping the 'sixes' hand around to its backside may help to further disambiguate which hand represents the 'sixes' and which represents the units.
"

[Sapphireho]

Originally Posted by Sarlacc

No, base-6.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senary explains it better than I could:
"Each regular human hand may be said to have six unambiguous positions; a fist, one finger (or thumb) extended, two, three, four and then all five extended.
If the right hand is used to represent a unit, and the left to represent the 'sixes', it becomes possible for one person to represent the values from zero to 55senary (35decimal) with their fingers, rather than the usual ten obtained in standard finger counting. e.g. if three fingers are extended on the left hand and four on the right, 34senary is represented. This is equivalent to 3 × 6 + 4 which is 22decimal.
Which hand is used for the 'sixes' and which the units is down to preference on the part of the counter, however when viewed from the counter's perspective, using the left hand as the most significant digit correlates with the written representation of the same senary number. Flipping the 'sixes' hand around to its backside may help to further disambiguate which hand represents the 'sixes' and which represents the units.
"

So the difference is what we call "1"

[Sapphireho]

Originally Posted by humfrz

Not really ...... all I have to remember is what day of the week it is ......


humfrz

Stop lying, you know you rely on your pillbox for that!

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by Sapphireho

Stop lying, you know you rely on your pillbox for that!

Well, ya ....... that's fine, if I remember to take my pills ......


humfrz

[Sarlacc]

Originally Posted by humfrz

Not really ...... all I have to remember is what day of the week it is ......


humfrz

Oh, that's tricky! It keeps changing all the time!

Here I was, almost getting used to it being Wednesday already and all of a sudden it's Thursday.

All I know at this point is that I haven't slept since Tuesday or thereabouts, and my caffeine levels are dropping fast.

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by Sarlacc

Oh, that's tricky! It keeps changing all the time!

Here I was, almost getting used to it being Wednesday already and all of a sudden it's Thursday.

All I know at this point is that I haven't slept since Tuesday or thereabouts, and my caffeine levels are dropping fast.

Well now ....... to quote you "I know, I just took it as an excuse to rant on one of my many hangups."....... I reckon your biological clock is all whacked out ......if you even have one anymore ...... ....... because you have been thinking on this "time expression" thing too damn hard.

My biological clock gets reset once a week on Friday ...... because that's trash day..... and I know when that is because all the neighbors put out their trash cans.

That "set point" triggers me to not only to put out the trash, but to fill up my med container ...... which lasts till the next Friday. The med container has the days of the week marked on it.

So, all you have to do is find a "set point".

Got it..??




humfrz

PS - you may find this helpful, if you don't have a regular trash service.

[Sarlacc]

Originally Posted by humfrz

Well now ....... to quote you "I know, I just took it as an excuse to rant on one of my many hangups."....... I reckon your biological clock is all whacked out ......if you even have one anymore ...... ....... because you have been thinking on this "time expression" thing too damn hard.

My biological clock gets reset once a week on Friday ...... because that's trash day..... and I know when that is because all the neighbors put out their trash cans.

That "set point" triggers me to not only to put out the trash, but to fill up my med container ...... which lasts till the next Friday. The med container has the days of the week marked on it.

So, all you have to do is find a "set point".

Got it..??




humfrz

PS - you may find this helpful, if you don't have a regular trash service.

Yup... Completely whacked out.

My circadian rhythm is playing a particularly funky sort of acid jazz these days.

That "set point" thing sounds like good advice, I'll just have to find the time...

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Sarlacc

Wow, someone is in a mood


No... I am hinting that the AM/PM system is very antiquated and somewhat local.
Simply that being fluent in any specific language should not be required to read a date.Then at least let's agree to use the month and the date in a standardized order.

The "+01:00" in that example indicates the time zone offset as reference to UTC, previously known as GMT, often referred to as "Zulu time" by military forces in NATO aligned countries.
This makes it possible to see what the given time will be in any time zone around the globe.THEN DON'T USE THE DECIMAL FRACTIONS! THEY ARE OPTIONAL!

The STANDARD is still ISO8601, these are suggestions for use of the standard.
This document is regarded as a defacto standard, as previously stated, and widely used.

And no to the image, it should be 07-04 :-)

LOL I didn't understand why you thought I was in a mood and reread what I wrote three times before I figured it out!


I either didn't write but thought I did or deleted during editing one simple sentence that changes the whole theme, meaning and tone of my post. Even though the original intent is sort of indicated at the end of the post the missing sentence will completely change how the whole thing reads.


It should have read:


Although indeed very old the use of the 24 hour clock is neither antiquated nor local. What is at all difficult about understanding there are 24 hours in a day with midnight as the jump off point. What you attached is based on the 24 hour clock and seems seems perfectly innocent at first but then goes sideways fast. I can already hear the complaints of 99% of the world population if they tried to put this in place for everything:


Etc.


My comments were supposed to be sarcastic to those that would not get it not my own thoughts on the matter. The comment about metric and the picture at the end should make more sense now as well.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Sarlacc

Wow, someone is in a mood

The discussion between @Tcoat and you reminds me of the old debate over whether email addresses should be SMTP or X400 based.

X400 was much more robust and descriptive but you had to be an expert to decipher them and never mind remembering them to send an email to someone without an address book.

Example: X.400 – C=US;A=GMAIL ;P=LetsExchange;O=First Organization;S=DadHawk;G=Sir;

(That's a basic example, but there are two dozen or so possible fields)

SMTP, the version that won out, is, well, easy and gets the mail there.

I will say though that as an IT dude programmers who insist on using local time rather than GMT when storing dates is the bane of my existence. Very large multimillion dollar applications in the Healthcare industry can't deal with time zones.

[Sarlacc]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

LOL I didn't understand why you thought I was in a mood and reread what I wrote three times before I figured it out!
...

ROFL
That clear things up. I read your post several times, too; and it just didn't sound like a typical Tcoat post. Hence the conclusion: "mood".

Meanwhile, I've had a nap and something to eat besides black coffee, so my quite real mood has changed dramatically.
And so has the landscape outside. It has snowed so much I'll have to go out and try to fire up the old snow blower for the first time in 2 years.
It'll be quite interesting to see if the thing still runs. It's a two-stage Snapper with a 500cc Briggs&Stratton, so there's hope I guess.

[Cole]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

Clearly it wasn't shovel snow. What did you do?

I'm a tenant, not my responsibility. For what it's worth, the lot was snowblowed yesterday. The guy did a piss poor job. If I did that at home, pops would have said "you're not done, go back out and finish with a shovel"