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DanZilla · 10-27-2009, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by S2KtoFT86

Hmm, well I wonder if this means that Toyota won't have their own turbo version. I would much rather have a turbo Toyota version than have to go with the Subie.

Not even just that, insurance on a Subaru is a bish compared to Toyota

speedpicking · 10-27-2009, 12:49 PM

i think it's fake

Franisco · 10-27-2009, 12:51 PM

It's not going to look like that..I'm willing to bet on it.
And I'd rather have the Toyota with a turbo and RWD

+1 · 10-27-2009, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by S2KtoFT86

I guess I would still turbo it if it wasn't but it'd be so awesome to have it boosted from day one. Besides that, I really don't want AWD.

$#!+

I don't want/need wasteful heavy-ass AWD! I am excited for this collab for the focus on sporting-car principles like lighter weight and focused handling (boxer/ lighter weight). It snows at most 4 times a year here, during which i want to spin the wheels anyway.
& I wanted to support Subaru, the corp headquarters is so local

S2KtoFT86 · 10-27-2009, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DanZilla

Not even just that, insurance on a Subaru is a bish compared to Toyota

Yet another reason I might just get the Yota and turbo it if they don't release a boosted version.

OldSkoolToys · 10-27-2009, 12:53 PM

Hahahahahaha, and this comes just after I posted LAST NIGHT that I wished for subaru to confirm/deny AWD so people would stop debating it endlessly.

Real or not, I think thats pretty funny.

dante · 10-27-2009, 12:59 PM

Color me skeptical on a variety of fronts:

1) Subbie Australia said they weren't getting it since it was RWD only, and that it wouldn't fit with their brand image
2) There's no way a turbo, intercooler, piping, and AWD setup only adds 100kg (220lbs).
3) There's no way the AWD version is only going to grow by 30mm, and I can guarantee that it's not going to grow in the wheelbase when it does. The engine has to be in front of the rear axle, which is why the nose on any of the current Subbie's looks the way it does. There is no room in the front of the FT-86 (even when you add in the inch) to stuff an engine...

Oh well, only time will tell. 7tune's been pretty accurate with articles on the Toyobaru so far, so maybe they know something that I don't.

mkxr · 10-27-2009, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by S2KtoFT86

Hmm, well I wonder if this means that Toyota won't have their own turbo version. I would much rather have a turbo Toyota version than have to go with the Subie.

Perhaps it's just me, but why do you need a turbo? Being a good driver in a slower car is more valuable than having the 'potential' speed. Spend the extra money on track or autox time. Just my two cents. I would prefer a well tuned rwd over awd any day. This is not going to be a rally car, so there is no point of awd. The only reason Subaru is offering that option is because of their marketing strategy (which is: 'AWD is better'), so they cannot simply bring a non-awd car to the market under their name.

Jordo! · 10-27-2009, 01:50 PM

Whoa -- if this is true, then I stand utterly and humbly corrected!

This is totally out of left field based on everything they'd been saying before today (e.g., no Subie version for Oz).

Well, shit -- congrats to all Subie fans

Also... this certainly puts the pressure on Toyota to offer a turbo/TRD version... if not, we all know what the popular engine swap is gonna be... :happy0180:

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Originally Posted by S2KtoFT86

Yet another reason I might just get the Yota and turbo it if they don't release a boosted version.

Ditto!

White Comet · 10-27-2009, 02:05 PM

Until I get a confirmed proper automotive source, with actual quotes from a Subaru executive, AND photos of the concept instead of just sketches by the reporting source, I won't believe it.

I also admit, I hope Subaru doesn't come out with one. I love my Subie, but I want the RWD, lighter Toyota in this case. And if you recall, all prev official notices have said that only the Subie version would be sold in North America.

I'll be more than happy if I end up being wrong and we get both, however. I just wish officials from both car companies would set this straight for good.

S2KtoFT86 · 10-27-2009, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by mkxr

Perhaps it's just me, but why do you need a turbo? Being a good driver in a slower car is more valuable than having the 'potential' speed. Spend the extra money on track or autox time. Just my two cents. I would prefer a well tuned rwd over awd any day. This is not going to be a rally car, so there is no point of awd. The only reason Subaru is offering that option is because of their marketing strategy (which is: 'AWD is better'), so they cannot simply bring a non-awd car to the market under their name.

I have my S2000 for that, which I plan on turning into my track car if the 86 turns out to be worthwhile.

cyde01 · 10-27-2009, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by speedpicking

i think it's fake

of course it's photoshopped dude it's a magazine rendering. if this is true then maybe all the posers will buy the subie automatic version and only true hardcore FR junkies will buy the toyota version..

S2KtoFT86 · 10-27-2009, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by cyde01

of course it's photoshopped dude it's a magazine rendering. if this is true then maybe all the posers will buy the subie automatic version and only true hardcore FR junkies will buy the toyota version..

Lol, not that argument again. I retracted my statement and apologized for even saying it.

mettler · 10-27-2009, 02:32 PM

I can fit a snowboard in the back of that..

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