Alfa Romeo 4C

[Levi]

Don't forget the Alfa 4C has CF chassis, this is where mostly where the price comes from. The engine is turbocharged and is good for 300 PS, in stock form. Autodelta UK wil definitely have tuning options, so I'd expect this car to be even fast on straight line. As for handling, if the info I got is correct, the 4C has no power steering at all. Interior should be to a large amount, exposed CF.
Only a few days till full reveal.

Originally Posted by red_comet

Not if he's smart.

I have owned several Alfa's and I didn't have any major problems till now. The previous Alfa I has was from 1994, it was in very bad condition, the previous owner drove the car very badly (diesel way) and never did proper maintenance. When I got it it was crap and didn't drive. I did maintenance and dispite the used engine it drove well, it even oversteered, I could "drift" with it. LOL. Later I rapped it to death, it just did not die. Very reliable IMO. I did +1000 km trips with it from France to Italy. What scary but nothing happend.

There is more lie than truth about Alfa reliablity. Issue is that most can't drive.

[SUB-FT86]

I wouldn't really say the FRS/BRZ is considered lightweight though Zdan. The AE86 was about 500-600 lbs lighter with a bigger backseat and a non aluminum engine. So regs do play a part in weight gain.

[dem00n]

Originally Posted by was385

Never owned one, but we were renting for a while from a guy who kept his Alfa Spider at the house. In a little over a year there it broke down at least 4 or 5 times. That thing was just a money pit for him.

Alfa's are tricky.

Since its always warm in Italy, they don't really need to warm up their engines since the oil tends to be around room temp. In colder temps or overall in places where it doesn't get hot the car doesn't get properly warmed up.
If you ever met someone whos owned a number of Alfa's, they tend to let the car warm up intill the the temp gauge is 1/4 there, then you slowly drive the car till its at normal (half) and then you can rev it crazy.

Thats mostly just a theory, but Alfa's are still wonderful, its a way different experience then any Jap car can offer.

[Levi]

Originally Posted by dem00n

Alfa's are tricky.

Since its always warm in Italy, they don't really need to warm up their engines since the oil tends to be around room temp. In colder temps or overall in places where it doesn't get hot the car doesn't get properly warmed up.
If you ever met someone whos owned a number of Alfa's, they tend to let the car warm up intill the the temp gauge is 1/4 there, then you slowly drive the car till its at normal (half) and then you can rev it crazy.

Thats mostly just a theory, but Alfa's are still wonderful, its a way different experience then any Jap car can offer.

Thank you for mentioning that. It is such a normal thing for me to do, that I even forgot to mention that. Indeed I always warm the engine before driving. Even short distances. And in Rome, I didn't have to do that except a few months in winter.

[dem00n]

There is one another theory...


If your not wearing leather gloves, a good watch and sun glasses while driving an Alfa, they tend to break down...

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

I wouldn't really say the FRS/BRZ is considered lightweight though Zdan. The AE86 was about 500-600 lbs lighter with a bigger backseat and a non aluminum engine.

To me, the FR-S/BRZ are not really a modern AE86 (which was a sporty version of a small rwd economy car, which is a GREAT idea for somebody to do now!). They are *spot on* a modern S13 240SX (dedicated rwd sport coupe platform, with IRS). The twins got some inspiration from the AE86, sure, but it's much more similar to the S13 than AE86.
A REAL "modern" AE86 would be more of a lower-slung rwd Yaris without the "Lumpy Space Princess" styling (not Corolla, which has moved upmarket).

So regs do play a part in weight gain.

Without crash regs, cars *could* be lighter-weight than equivalents from years gone by instead of same weight. But the real problem for those of us who like small, lightweight cars is that *most* people like gigantic hulking overweight behemoths, so that's exactly what the market is flooded with

Thank you, Toyobaru and Alfa, for *proving* that new cars do not HAVE to be so oversized and overweight! I hope all the other manufacturers are taking notes...

[Levi]

Originally Posted by dem00n

There is one another theory...


If your not wearing leather gloves, a good watch and sun glasses while driving an Alfa, they tend to break down...

Haha, so true. I'm just lacking a good watch. That is maybe why it is not that fast. :happy0180:

[jflogerzi]

I hope the car succeeds. I want to see the next MX-5 platform which will be based on the Alfa 4C but more affordable. I hope Mazda and Alfa hit a home run. God knows we more cars like the twins on the road!

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by jflogerzi

I hope the car succeeds. I want to see the next MX-5 platform which will be based on the Alfa 4C but more affordable.

??? I dont' think this is the case at all. I think that Alfa will have its version of the next Miata, which will be an FR car and will NOT be the 4C platform. Maybe the Alfa Miata will use the same engine as the 4C?

[jflogerzi]

Originally Posted by ZDan

??? I dont' think this is the case at all. I think that Alfa will have its version of the next Miata, which will be an FR car and will NOT be the 4C platform. Maybe the Alfa Miata will use the same engine as the 4C?

The next MX-5 is being co-devolved by both Mazda and Alfa. Very similar to how the twins came to be. They even stated Mazda will be building(I think) I could be wrong.

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by jflogerzi

The next MX-5 is being co-devolved by both Mazda and Alfa.

And it will NOT be based on the 4C! As far as I can tell, effectively Alfa is selling their version of the next Miata, possibly with Alfa power (hopefully MORE power).

[johnnie]

Originally Posted by dem00n

Alfa's are tricky.

Since its always warm in Italy, they don't really need to warm up their engines since the oil tends to be around room temp. In colder temps or overall in places where it doesn't get hot the car doesn't get properly warmed up.
If you ever met someone whos owned a number of Alfa's, they tend to let the car warm up intill the the temp gauge is 1/4 there, then you slowly drive the car till its at normal (half) and then you can rev it crazy.

Thats mostly just a theory, but Alfa's are still wonderful, its a way different experience then any Jap car can offer.

Don't really know how it snows on the dolomitis (Italian Alps with glaciar snow even during summer) if it's always warm in Itali.

Alfa had a really bad period, all modern alfas are at least industry average in terms of reliability.

I would consider getting 4c, but it's definitelly out of my budget. Hope it has that classic Alfa looks.

[sevi21]

Looks great imo

[Entroper]

Originally Posted by jflogerzi

The next MX-5 is being co-devolved by both Mazda and Alfa. Very similar to how the twins came to be. They even stated Mazda will be building(I think) I could be wrong.

Mazda is building the chassis. The Alfa version will have an Alfa powertrain in the same chassis. It MIGHT share some drivetrain components, but it's aiming for a price point about $15-20,000 less than the 4C, so I would expect less horsepower than the 4C.