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Dimman · 12-19-2009, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

Supposedly. I'm Guessing that whether or not it is, an EJ25T swap will be a walk in the park (Toyota ECU permitting

).

That's what Haltech, AEM, MoTeC, Microtech etc... are for.

Matador · 12-19-2009, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Dimman

That's what Haltech, AEM, MoTeC, Microtech etc... are for.

Granted. In fact, I'm working on my own programmable ECU solution, but a lot of tuners like the Lego like ability of 90's cars. Pull out, plug in, end of story.

ichitaka05 · 12-19-2009, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by White Comet

Not if it's not boosted, it won't.

If it IS boosted, well... that's a different story.

That's why it has 2.5i for. For NA AWD ppl. I don't see any reason for Subie to make NA STI.

aphxero · 12-19-2009, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Dimman

That's what Haltech, AEM, MoTeC, Microtech etc... are for.

Or the subaru ecu duh

Jordo! · 12-19-2009, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

Granted. In fact, I'm working on my own programmable ECU solution...

Megasquirt based?

aphxero · 12-19-2009, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordo!

Megasquirt based?

lol srsly?

White Comet · 12-20-2009, 04:47 AM

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Originally Posted by ichitaka05

That's why it has 2.5i for. For NA AWD ppl. I don't see any reason for Subie to make NA STI.

You're thinking only in terms of Impreza/WRX/STI. There's no rule that says the STI has to be boosted. They only have one model with that badge, after all.

If the Toyo version comes out with an NA 2.0L, why not the Subaru "STI" version with an NA 2.5L? Not saying this will happen, but there's no reason as to why it cannot.

NESW20 · 12-20-2009, 01:07 PM

the subaru version would need to have significant structural difference to be AWD. honestly, i really hope it doesn't have it. audi is the whole reason why subaru changed to AWD, btw. they weren't always 100% AWD.

-Mike

Dimman · 12-20-2009, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by White Comet

You're thinking only in terms of Impreza/WRX/STI. There's no rule that says the STI has to be boosted. They only have one model with that badge, after all.

If the Toyo version comes out with an NA 2.0L, why not the Subaru "STI" version with an NA 2.5L? Not saying this will happen, but there's no reason as to why it cannot.

A lot of speculation here. Did Subaru unveil their prototype yet? Who's to say that there will be an STI version at all. Isn't the STI model based on racing efforts?

If so then we will have to assume that Subaru will be campaigning it somewhere. And on its own Subaru doesn't really have money to race in a lot of different classes. This car will be best suited for Super GT in the GT300 category. Best chance is if it's made, Subaru campaigns it instead of the RWD road-racing Impreza (but I'm not even sure if that is a factory effort or Cusco sponsored privateers).

As for what the STI version would be, I don't know too much about their philosophy tuning-wise. But how much all-motor experience do they have? And just sticking in a bigger motor sounds more like what Toyota did with the new Corolla XRS. Not something I would be hoping for.

As a Subaru outsider, to me it looks like STI takes a very complete tuning approach to their cars. Different transmission, diffs, engine, suspension, aero, cooling. Toyota, as of recently, does not.

This is unfortunate as they are likely leading the project. On the Toyota side we could hope that they would return to the philosophy they took with the TRD 2000GT and 3000GT but lately as discussed elsewhere they are just re-badging aftermarket pieces for Scions.

Finally it depends how competitive Toyota and Subaru are with each other image-wise. Would Toyota tolerate a very superior STI FT86 just after they got their asses handed to them in F1 while Subaru is still enjoying a lot of rally success (Pastrana and Block here, I don't know about the rest of the world)? Japanese like to compromise and I can't imagine a vast performance gap between the brands.

Matador · 12-20-2009, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordo!

Megasquirt based?

no.

White Comet · 12-20-2009, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Dimman

A lot of speculation here. Did Subaru unveil their prototype yet? Who's to say that there will be an STI version at all.

Subaru hasn't officialy said jack yet, and I'm with you on this one. I've been shouting since day one that until they do say something, it ain't happening.

But the reality of it is, there has been SO much talk about the Subaru version, I think it honestly is inevitable. As to an "STI" version... that's just more speculation on top of speculation. Same with engine choices.

Personally, I'm excited by the Toyota version. I want a lightweight, RWD, fun to rev sports coupe. Not another AWD boost baby (already got one of those).

ichitaka05 · 12-20-2009, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by White Comet

You're thinking only in terms of Impreza/WRX/STI. There's no rule that says the STI has to be boosted. They only have one model with that badge, after all.

If the Toyo version comes out with an NA 2.0L, why not the Subaru "STI" version with an NA 2.5L? Not saying this will happen, but there's no reason as to why it cannot.

So you're stating that Subie STI ver possibly NA 2.5L (est: 200~250hp) FR layout? Hell, why do I want to buy FT-86c if Subie gonna have almost same spec w more hp. Just say your hypothesis is right and Subie make STI NA 2.5L FR. I won't expecting them to come back to WRC anytime soon.

You're right, there's no rule that says the STI has to be boosted AWD, only 17 yrs of history proven fact that all the STI models were boosted AWD. After all, STI was made for FIA WRC that's why only one with that badge.

If Toyo come out w NA 2L, Subie will just bring NA 2/2.5L as base model Boosted will be WRX/GT & STI. Simple as that.

Matador · 12-20-2009, 04:19 PM

^ why would one buy the FT86?
- Price
- Weight

Also, the Subaru/STi no longer compete in the FIA WRC. Furthermore, FIA WRC regulation are changed from this year on too.

ichitaka05 · 12-20-2009, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

^ why would one buy the FT86?
- Price
- Weight

Also, the Subaru/STi no longer compete in the FIA WRC. Furthermore, FIA WRC regulation are changed from this year on too.

Price? What to add on the price tag? No Turbo, No AWD. "Almost" same layout as FT-86c. Only thing that make STI price tag higher is the STI badge.
Weight? Again, it's all speculation, so I can't really say & you're speculating from recent STI, so you can't say either. IF Subie make NA STI, it's gonna weight more than FT-86c.

That's one of the reason why I said, "I won't expecting them to come back to WRC anytime soon."

12-20-2009, 01:07 PM	#22
NESW20 2.1L 3SGTE Join Date: Oct 2009 Drives: MR2 Turbo & Tacoma Location: Columbus, IN Posts: 1,248 Thanks: 29 Thanked 24 Times in 22 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	the subaru version would need to have significant structural difference to be AWD. honestly, i really hope it doesn't have it. audi is the whole reason why subaru changed to AWD, btw. they weren't always 100% AWD. -Mike __________________ 1991 MR2 Turbo - 2.1L high compression stroker 3SGTE 2006 Tacoma 4x4 TRD Off Road - All-Pro front bumper, Old Man Emu shocks, Old Man Emu HD front coils, All-Pro leafs 1990 240SX Coupe - sold 2008 Civic Si Sedan

12-20-2009, 04:19 PM	#27
Matador hashiryu Join Date: Nov 2009 Drives: Mk4 Supra Location: Probably mucking around in an engine bay Posts: 2,567 Thanks: 18 Thanked 37 Times in 20 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	^ why would one buy the FT86? - Price - Weight Also, the Subaru/STi no longer compete in the FIA WRC. Furthermore, FIA WRC regulation are changed from this year on too.

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