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Old 08-05-2013, 08:07 PM   #16409
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I used the word 'trifecta' in it.
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It would be awesome if they at least gave S2000 like HP... or at least get rid of the torque dip...
With gutless tq? No thanks
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Old 08-05-2013, 08:13 PM   #16411
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With gutless tq? No thanks
how can it be gutless torque if I want the torque dip removed...
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how can it be gutless torque if I want the torque dip removed...
Look at dynos of the FC20 vs the FA20. FA has a shit-ton more low-end torque. It's not a dip, it's a double peak.
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Look at dynos of the FC20 vs the FA20. FA has a shit-ton more low-end torque. It's not a dip, it's a double peak.
Yes, but I said S2000 like HP... not torque... considering the FA20 has a 1750 RPM disadvantage to the F20C we need more torque to compensate... since HP = TORQUE x RPM ÷ 5252
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Yes, but I said S2000 like HP... not torque... considering the FA20 has a 1750 RPM disadvantage to the F20C we need more torque to compensate... since HP = TORQUE x RPM ÷ 5252
I was responding to your gutless/torque dip response.

I think 240 crank is doable, but the cost will be the low-end torque mountain, making it feel gutless in normal driving.

Still waiting for cams, though. Once some bigger/longer cams are out, good R&D companies like Nameless (assuming they ever get out of R&D and finally produce something) can match headers and intake manifold design to the cam specs, plus appropriate cam phase tuning. But the low end will be gone.
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Old 08-05-2013, 08:45 PM   #16415
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I was responding to your gutless/torque dip response.

I think 240 crank is doable, but the cost will be the low-end torque mountain, making it feel gutless in normal driving.
Screw low end, 4000rpm in 1st is like what, 20mph? Shorten the intake runners, put fatter intake cams on, that'll move the 2500-3000 zone up to 3000-3500, where it's supposed to be I like being able to stomp the pedal in 1st and not have a huge jolt.

Speaking of low end torque, you know, if you beefed up the bearings on an alternator and replaced the dinosaur diode bridge with some juicy power electronics, it could give pretty reasonable low end kick. Might want to dump the shitty fan for some proper water cooling though.
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I was responding to your gutless/torque dip response.

I think 240 crank is doable, but the cost will be the low-end torque mountain, making it feel gutless in normal driving.

Still waiting for cams, though. Once some bigger/longer cams are out, good R&D companies like Nameless (assuming they ever get out of R&D and finally produce something) can match headers and intake manifold design to the cam specs, plus appropriate cam phase tuning. But the low end will be gone.

The gutless torque was brought up by @ichitaka05 cause I said I wanted S2000 like HP...
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Yea, 750. The thing with Seagull MSRP is the only way you pay that amount is if you go to a mall and get ripped off by not trying to haggle. They go for half that on Taobao (Chinese quasi-ebay), and you can get them for half MSRP with warranty at the factory (someday...I'll get that 818.900 tourbillon watch from the factory for the low price of 5000 dollars LOL, lifetime warranty though! They'll repair even if you dropped it on the ground and destroyed the movement). Now that I've had a watch break, I kind of want warranty lmao, so I'm asking the US distributor guy about it.
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how can it be gutless torque if I want the torque dip removed...
Yeah but only getting 161tq w very crappy tq curve. I like how they setup the tq dip. Helps w dd mpg

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Yeah but only getting 161tq w very crappy tq curve. I like how they setup the tq dip. Helps w dd mpg
Explain to me how the torque curve would change if all I'm asking is for that dip to filled up...

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