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tranzformer · 12-16-2011, 02:12 PM

I find FLD can be annoying sometimes, but found this episode raised an interesting question regarding this new generation. Scion and Subaru are taking two different directions in the way that they are marketing this car to the enthusiasts. So which one will be more successful? Is extreme racing the new way or is it a fad? Or is this just a stupid question as in the end it doesn't really matter?

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old greg · 12-16-2011, 02:16 PM

Extreme racing? WTF?

Drifting is not racing, it's automotive figure skating. And drag racing and time trials are very much "traditional".

tranzformer · 12-16-2011, 02:22 PM

Just disregard the definitions and focus more on the different approaches the two companies are taking. Scion's approach really hasn't helped them increase their sales or popularity in America. Will things change if they keep doing the same thing? Or should Scion change their approach and do something else?

DA1 · 12-16-2011, 02:28 PM

Off Topic a bit but has anyone have news on Toyota LeMans return ?

Mari0 · 12-16-2011, 02:37 PM

Hehe sorry for the repost. Didn't see it in the video section so I assumed no one posted (:

86'd · 12-16-2011, 02:45 PM

The BRZ race car makes me want to buy a BRZ. Really.

I have absolutely no desire in drifting or anything like that. But I still prefer the FR-S because of the styling and the color options offered.

I'd personally like to see a Scion race car but look at it this way; more people unfortunately have already identified Scion with things like drifting and could care less about road racing. So I guess my point is doing something to promote the car is better than nothing?

Giccin · 12-16-2011, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DA1

Off Topic a bit but has anyone have news on Toyota LeMans return ?

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Lol ask about the video and you ask about the man. :P

tranzformer · 12-16-2011, 02:50 PM

The roots of the AE86 was road racing. Is Scion going to rely on formula drift to market this car. Is that all that the younger generation cares about now? Why not just go back to the roots and do road racing with the FRS. It just seems like Scion is trying too hard to be cool. What is Toyota going to be doing for the rest of the world markets with the GT86/86 and motorsports?

fatoni · 12-16-2011, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by tranzformer

The roots of the AE86 was road racing. Is Scion going to rely on formula drift to market this car. Is that all that the younger generation cares about now? Why not just go back to the roots and do road racing with the FRS. It just seems like Scion is trying too hard to be cool. What is Toyota going to be doing for the rest of the world markets with the GT86/86 and motorsports?

yeah drift will probably take this car alot farther simply based on the demographic that i have observed at least. i have a bunch of ingorant friends who couldnt name a single f1 driver but they are constantly asking me stupid questions like how much it would cost to make their tc rwd so they can be like gushi or some jazz like that

tripjammer · 12-16-2011, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by fatoni

yeah drift will probably take this car alot farther simply based on the demographic that i have observed at least. i have a bunch of ingorant friends who couldnt name a single f1 driver but they are constantly asking me stupid questions like how much it would cost to make their tc rwd so they can be like gushi or some jazz like that

Your tight nobody cares about Road Racing anymore...its all about the drift...but thanks to Toyota and Subaru the FR-S\86\BRZ can drift and road race with the best of them! Its the jack of all trades!

2fast4you · 12-16-2011, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by tranzformer

Or should Scion change their approach and do something else?

The only way Scion can change their approach is to replace the Toyota name in NASCAR because that's pretty much the only form of American auto racing Scion Racing hasn't been involved in. SCCA, Grand Am, NASA, Rally America, multiple NHRA teams... and once Subaru shakes down the BRZ GT300, I wouldn't be surprised to see a Scion FR-S in the American Le Mans Series and a GT-86 in FIA GT in Europe.

NikostC · 12-16-2011, 03:39 PM

Drifting is fun to watch but grip is can be just as fun to watch. especially some old formula one races:
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old greg · 12-16-2011, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by NikostC

especially some old formula one races

Why won't the FIA bring back ground effects?

But yeah, there is already a factory supported team running a tC in SCCA World Challenge and Grand Am Koni Challenge. Frankly I'd be surprised if they didn't switch over to the FR-S in a year or two.

DuMa · 12-16-2011, 05:00 PM

honestly F1 is boring as shit right now. its too predictable. same thing for other road racing.

im not a fan of D1 but its something to attach excitement and unpredictability to like what the old group b and f1 races used to have.

old greg · 12-16-2011, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DuMa

boring as shit right now. its too predictable. same thing for other road racing.

You're watching it wrong.

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2fast4you · 12-16-2011, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by old greg

You're watching it wrong.

LexusFman · 12-16-2011, 06:44 PM

"Extreme" racing is better for promoting a car than traditional racing is. If you look at it from a automotive culture standpoint extreme racing is closer to automotive culture than "traditional racing" is. Even so, I think that a manufacturer should do both, why not?

Matador · 12-16-2011, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by old greg

Extreme racing? WTF?

Drifting is not racing, it's automotive figure skating. And drag racing and time trials are very much "traditional".

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LexusFman · 12-16-2011, 07:03 PM

Also, 2 more things
1. What's wrong with drifting? I mean calling it racing is a stretch but it's definitely motorsport.

2. Traditional racing is super important too (or atleast it was) because car companies make cars to compete. We would have never got the Skyline GT-R, Evo, STi, AE86, and many more great cars if it wasn't for racing but now most companies just convert their shit-boxes into race cars for an insane amount of money and pretty much say fuck you to their consumers. Oh well.

carbonBLUE · 12-16-2011, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by LexusFman

Also, 2 more things
1. What's wrong with drifting? I mean calling it racing is a stretch but it's definitely motorsport.

2. Traditional racing is super important too (or atleast it was) because car companies make cars to compete. We would have never got the Skyline GT-R, Evo, STi, AE86, and many more great cars if it wasn't for racing but now most companies just convert their shit-boxes into race cars for an insane amount of money and pretty much say fuck you to their consumers. Oh well.

well at least the gt-86 wasnt a "fuck you consumers" car

Longhorn248 · 12-16-2011, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by LexusFman

Also, 2 more things
1. What's wrong with drifting? I mean calling it racing is a stretch but it's definitely motorsport.

2. Traditional racing is super important too (or atleast it was) because car companies make cars to compete. We would have never got the Skyline GT-R, Evo, STi, AE86, and many more great cars if it wasn't for racing but now most companies just convert their shit-boxes into race cars for an insane amount of money and pretty much say fuck you to their consumers. Oh well.

There's nothing wrong with drifting, it just isn't racing. When it doesn't matter who crosses the line first then it's just a competition and not a race.

Matador · 12-16-2011, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by tranzformer

The roots of the AE86 was road racing. Is Scion going to rely on formula drift to market this car. Is that all that the younger generation cares about now? Why not just go back to the roots and do road racing with the FRS. It just seems like Scion is trying too hard to be cool. What is Toyota going to be doing for the rest of the world markets with the GT86/86 and motorsports?

The thing is, Europe and Japan will probably road race the shit out of the 86. Super Taikyu, One make series etc. etc. I would hope Scion does more than just drift (I doubt the FR-S will replace the tC everywhere....), I hope they put some more of those marketing dollars where it counts.

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Originally Posted by old greg

Why won't the FIA bring back ground effects?

Because they suck.

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Originally Posted by DuMa

honestly F1 is boring as shit right now.

Blame the FIA

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Originally Posted by LexusFman

Even so, I think that a manufacturer should do both, why not?

This.

12-16-2011, 02:12 PM	#1
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old greg Rocket Surgeon Join Date: Apr 2011 Drives: PSM GGA OMG Location: FL Posts: 1,313 Thanks: 10 Thanked 134 Times in 80 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	Extreme racing? WTF? Drifting is not racing, it's automotive figure skating. And drag racing and time trials are very much "traditional".

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tranzformer Delights in pure handling Join Date: Mar 2011 Drives: Zoom Zoom Location: KS Posts: 4,855 Thanks: 0 Thanked 12 Times in 11 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Just disregard the definitions and focus more on the different approaches the two companies are taking. Scion's approach really hasn't helped them increase their sales or popularity in America. Will things change if they keep doing the same thing? Or should Scion change their approach and do something else?

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86'd Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Drives: 2012 WRX Sedan Location: Los Angeles Posts: 511 Thanks: 25 Thanked 92 Times in 53 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	The BRZ race car makes me want to buy a BRZ. Really. I have absolutely no desire in drifting or anything like that. But I still prefer the FR-S because of the styling and the color options offered. I'd personally like to see a Scion race car but look at it this way; more people unfortunately have already identified Scion with things like drifting and could care less about road racing. So I guess my point is doing something to promote the car is better than nothing?

12-16-2011, 02:50 PM	#8
tranzformer Delights in pure handling Join Date: Mar 2011 Drives: Zoom Zoom Location: KS Posts: 4,855 Thanks: 0 Thanked 12 Times in 11 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	The roots of the AE86 was road racing. Is Scion going to rely on formula drift to market this car. Is that all that the younger generation cares about now? Why not just go back to the roots and do road racing with the FRS. It just seems like Scion is trying too hard to be cool. What is Toyota going to be doing for the rest of the world markets with the GT86/86 and motorsports?

12-16-2011, 03:39 PM	#12
NikostC JDM Enthusiast Join Date: Apr 2010 Drives: Scion tC Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 169 Thanks: 2 Thanked 11 Times in 2 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Drifting is fun to watch but grip is can be just as fun to watch. especially some old formula one races: [u2b]kre35Pct0yA[/u2b]

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DuMa Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Drives: BMW E30 Location: OC, CA Posts: 304 Thanks: 6 Thanked 157 Times in 57 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	honestly F1 is boring as shit right now. its too predictable. same thing for other road racing. im not a fan of D1 but its something to attach excitement and unpredictability to like what the old group b and f1 races used to have.

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LexusFman Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Drives: None Location: Ny and MA, depends Posts: 104 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	"Extreme" racing is better for promoting a car than traditional racing is. If you look at it from a automotive culture standpoint extreme racing is closer to automotive culture than "traditional racing" is. Even so, I think that a manufacturer should do both, why not?

12-16-2011, 07:03 PM	#19
LexusFman Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Drives: None Location: Ny and MA, depends Posts: 104 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Also, 2 more things 1. What's wrong with drifting? I mean calling it racing is a stretch but it's definitely motorsport. 2. Traditional racing is super important too (or atleast it was) because car companies make cars to compete. We would have never got the Skyline GT-R, Evo, STi, AE86, and many more great cars if it wasn't for racing but now most companies just convert their shit-boxes into race cars for an insane amount of money and pretty much say fuck you to their consumers. Oh well.

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