MT shift pattern - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

dietz · 10-09-2012, 12:56 AM

So with the lack of low end torque, coupled with high elevation, >5,000 ft, I find that I need to be in 2nd to really enjoy most turns. Shifting from 3rd to 2nd smoothly is slow and more difficult than 4 to 3, which I almost never need to be quick, (the stock gas pedal doesn't help, a wider one is on order) and since I never go into 1 while moving (and don't drag race)... why not have 2 and 3 across from each other? Is there a way to modify the shift pattern with some sort of different linkage? Or is it inherent to the whole layout of the transmission and therefore a completely stupid question?

Squishy86 · 10-09-2012, 01:06 AM

I forgot what car they mentioned this in Top Gear but its a great idea that needs to be brought to the attention of car manufacturers!

Ninjin · 10-09-2012, 01:08 AM

I'll just leave this here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog-leg_gearbox

As for putting one in the FR-S, I don't know enough about transmissions to say for sure, but I suspect it wouldn't be easy.

fatoni · 10-09-2012, 01:10 AM

there more than likely is now way to change it. what you want is a dogleg tranny but they were never really popular and since its a 6 speed the use of second and third should be about equal on most roadcourses and even at an autox.

my advice would be to buy new tires so you can then take corners in third at higher rpm

dietz · 10-09-2012, 01:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ninjin

I'll just leave this here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog-leg_gearbox

As for putting one in the FR-S, I don't know enough about transmissions to say for sure, but I suspect it wouldn't be easy.

Wow there's a name for it! That's what I want.

dietz · 10-09-2012, 01:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fatoni

there more than likely is now way to change it. what you want is a dogleg tranny but they were never really popular and since its a 6 speed the use of second and third should be about equal on most roadcourses and even at an autox.

my advice would be to buy new tires so you can then take corners in third at higher rpm

But that means I'm going around the corner faster... not necessarily something I want to do if I'm just looking for that feeling of having to modulate the throttle at a reasonable speed.

civicdrivr · 10-09-2012, 01:31 AM

Practice some more. Rev matching your downshift will help slot the shifter into 2nd easily.

Flat Black VW · 10-09-2012, 01:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sabSquishy

I forgot what car they mentioned this in Top Gear but its a great idea that needs to be brought to the attention of car manufacturers!

Mercedes 190E Cosworth....
That was the first id heard of it, I wish all cars were like that.

trackmagic · 10-09-2012, 03:48 PM

I like it

DarkSunrise · 10-09-2012, 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by civicdrivr

Practice some more. Rev matching your downshift will help slot the shifter into 2nd easily.

Agreed. I heel-toe into 2nd on a constant basis around town, so shifting into 2nd has become second nature to me. It's really just a matter of practice and repetition, and with a transmission as good as this one, it's fun to do.

On a related note, it makes such a large difference shifting into 2nd when the transmission is cold vs. hot.

Guff · 10-09-2012, 03:59 PM

Doglegs are interesting to say the least, but I don't think there is an easy way to change the layout of your gearbox. Considering the fact that most doglegs were 5speed with Reverse being in the number one spot, I'm not sure if you will find many resources for modifying a six speed Trans to achieve the same goals.

And like others have said, A good rev match and some good Trans fluid is really all you need to get great downshifts on any gearbox.

QuikJ · 10-09-2012, 04:18 PM

Someone else always has it worse.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6se7UKjARmY&feature=share"]353 EVO II / Rallye Wartburg 07 - YouTube[/ame]

Ninjin · 10-09-2012, 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QuikJ

Someone else always has it worse.

What is this new shifter? It's like a high-tech paddle shift! Maybe we can get it on road cars one day! =D

I got a good laugh when he was held up by a new Beetle.

ichitaka05 · 10-09-2012, 06:43 PM

Wanna change shifting gears? Simple swap your gears around.

It only take... few days & several hundreds of dollars. That's all

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dietz Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Drives: Raven / 6MT FR-S Location: Bay area / California Posts: 106 Thanks: 12 Thanked 27 Times in 17 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	MT shift pattern So with the lack of low end torque, coupled with high elevation, >5,000 ft, I find that I need to be in 2nd to really enjoy most turns. Shifting from 3rd to 2nd smoothly is slow and more difficult than 4 to 3, which I almost never need to be quick, (the stock gas pedal doesn't help, a wider one is on order) and since I never go into 1 while moving (and don't drag race)... why not have 2 and 3 across from each other? Is there a way to modify the shift pattern with some sort of different linkage? Or is it inherent to the whole layout of the transmission and therefore a completely stupid question?

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Squishy86 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: Your Car Location: San Diego Posts: 439 Thanks: 461 Thanked 225 Times in 115 Posts Mentioned: 5 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I forgot what car they mentioned this in Top Gear but its a great idea that needs to be brought to the attention of car manufacturers!

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Ninjin Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Drives: SWP BRZ 6MT Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 876 Thanks: 415 Thanked 576 Times in 332 Posts Mentioned: 144 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I'll just leave this here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog-leg_gearbox As for putting one in the FR-S, I don't know enough about transmissions to say for sure, but I suspect it wouldn't be easy.

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