How mad would you be?

[Trojan_SC]

Originally Posted by russv

The TC is not an ugly car

Says you! Lol jk but i wasn't talking about that car because the tC wasn't around when Scion Launched. Which was in 2003.

I actually thought the tC was pretty nice compared to the rest of the lineup. Wouldn't buy one though...I had a DC5

[Justin.b]

The tC isn't terrible (although I prefer the looks of last generation to this one), but it's not nearly as awesome as the fuse concept Scion was showing as the claimed replacement for the tC.



It looks like the only thing they used from this concept is the rear pillar, which looks awful on the tC.

-Justin

[Hanakuso]

VERY MAD. I hate 1st world problems

[Trojan_SC]

Originally Posted by Hanakuso

VERY MAD. I hate 1st world problems

I'd rather have 1st world problems than 3rd world problems thank you very much. ;P

[|-Goku-|]

Originally Posted by denverizzles

considering that most everyone is upset that the FR-S came to the U.S. as a Scion and not a Toyota; and most everyone is going to swap out their Scion emblems for Toyota. How mad would you be if Toyota realizes their error and decides to bring next years model as a toyota 86?

I dunno about you and i understand it's still going to be the same car, but i'd be pretty damn pissed.

I actually don't care that it is a Scion. The badge doesn't make the car.

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by raz0rbladez909

Scion originally was introduced as a youthful brand for younger adults to get into and modify simple vehicles to their taste and give them a sense of individuality in the car world without having to pay a whole lot. The vehicles they originally started with were the Scion XB(Toyota BB everwhere else) and the Scion XA(Toyota IST) then they added the TC which is similar to the Toyota Avensis chassis wise. More recently the IQ and FRS(GT86) were added to the lineup.

The brand gets a lot of flack as many of the beginner drivers or hipsters modify their vehicles in poor taste or usually have no idea what they are doing/talking about when it comes to automotive modification. This stigma has led to an almost downright hatred of the brand from most automotive enthusiasts.

Scion was also introduced around the whole "fast and the furious" fad that the movie popularized. So they tried to appeal to that group. It just so happened alot of the buyers were also old people because the cars (well specifically the xB) fit a price/practicality medium that was rarely found in other cars. the xB actually popularized the box car movement which is why the Kia soul and Nissan cube exist here.

-the xB floundered because the 2nd gen got bigger, fatter, heavier, and thirstier than its predecessor.
-the xD floundered because...well it was basically a 5 door yaris. and it replaced the xA that no one cared about either.
-the tC...sort of replaced the celica but wasnt as sporty as the celica and had the Camry 4cyl which was meh compared to the high revving 2zz. It was the cruiser vs the flyweight pocket rocket the Celica was. the 2nd gen suffered from the tC's dwindling popularity. Is it a better car? probably, but it didnt do enough to convince buyers that it was the best choice among its competition (being the Kia forte koup, and civic coupe among them)

then you have the fact that Scion itself was a US only brand from its inception until i think late 2010/early 2011 when it finally made its way up to Canada. It started off strong but they didnt do enough to keep up with change when the fast and the furious fad dropped off. Only now we got the IQ, FRS and the tC. I honestly think they should have kept the xB and turned it back into the small, high mileage, practical box that it first was. the xB was what defined Scion I think. heck theres still room for quirky cars like a mini truck, mini-minivan or even a FJ40 sized mini off roader jeep.

[Exhaust]

This is the best toyobaru argument thread ive read in a while. Very valid opinions.

[YukiHachiRoku]

Originally Posted by Hanakuso

VERY MAD. I hate 1st world problems

[Xanatos]

Here's my take on the situation.

Toyota designed the car. Subaru built it. Scion marketed it. Who gets to have their badge on it? Well all of them!. Toyota front badge. Scion airbag. Subaru rear badge. Mass confusion! Or whatever you'd like to do.

Why would Toyota bring the car to the US as Scion? Well look at what Scion has to offer on their product line. To me their product line is just ugly. I personally think of the xB whenever the name Scion comes up. That thing is just a box on wheels. They need a boost. Toyota is banking on the enthusiasts to spread the word about the FR-S that its a Toyota/Subaru. Scion benefits from this due to name association. Well you can say Toyota's name can be somewhat hindered by having the FR-S under Scion well Toyota has a long heritage and if they really want to put their name out they'll just start producing the Supra (which they already applied for the trademark) again.

[Tanuki]

What would the reaction be if Toyota USA released the next gen Supra as a Scion?

[Tanuki]

I just don't get why they made the scion badge look so similar to a nissan badge.

[eriktherod]

I also wondered why Hyundai has been able to get away with their badge. It's very similar to Honda's and.... I don't think if I made an italicized Toyota badge it would be okay.

Then again, maybe I've been reading too much Apple vs. Samsung lately!