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The Toyota triplets seem to be better than the Leaf, and "better than the leaf" seems to be the bare minimum to get a passable EV out there, so i dont think they're as bad as its made out to be. you read about how people get one and end up liking it, i think its because...it doesnt feel like a rolling smartphone. It feels like a car that is powered by electricity. Sure range and charging are the toyota triplets biggest drawbacks but EV fanboys seem to completely forget all about the "charge at home" or "the average driver only drives so many miles " EV positives when it comes to the Toyota cars. |
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I'm agreeing with @Irace86.2.0 on this one.
Ultimately, just like with ICE, there needs to be a full range of EVs if they are every going to fully succeed. That means not every version is going to look like the cabin of the Starship Enterprise (or your desk at work if you want a Tesla). Powering my next vehicle with electrons doesn't matter to me as much as the vehicle meets the criteria I want. That's why I am #1 at my local Cadillac dealership for a LYRIQ. If they built the exact car with the twin turbo V6 in the CT5-V, I'd buy that instead. I think the state of charging in the areas I drive long distance is good enough now, that electrons or gas doesn't matter as much.
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Perhaps this is just a recall, or a request to summarize, but at this point in time, in the EV industry, why would anyone pick a Tesla over any other EV? And I'm talking about your ho hum boring daily commuter.
The obvious answer is range (and depending on many factors, possibly price). What's this "Tesla tech" being referenced? Their self driving aids are nothing special, and IMO only attractive to people that enjoy placing their life into the hands of a computer. Their build quality inside and out is subpar. Their paint is the worst in the industry. To me, all I can come up with is "range" and their charging network (but to me that's becoming irrelevant since other brands can utilize it now).
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You pretty much nailed it though, it is the charging network combined with a similar sense of "prestige" that Apple has with their iProducts. Range isn't really a factor I don't think. Most other similarly priced EVs have similar ranges, give or take. Obviously other EVs are selling so Tesla isn't the only choice, but for a lot of folks it seems to be first choice.
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^&^^thanks for the answers
When did build quality improve? I drove my brother's new Model Y Performance 2 months ago, and the interior was cheap. And to answer question about paint, yes. Yes.
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Tesla is still the #1 choice because yea, its got the Apple-like cult following and the charging network making road trips a nonissue. You read about the nightmares of the non-Tesla charging networks and its enough to just say hell no to a non-tesla. But is going that route worth dealing with the Elon factor (which to be fair isnt going to be a deciding factor to many people), the fact you are paying luxury car prices for what amounts to be something built like a 90's GM car, and the fact you pretty much defer nearly everything driving related to the computer.... I wouldnt get one, cuz i still want to DRIVE the thing. I'd like quirky EV's (like VW id.Buzz...although the buzz on that has died down since it looks like a regular van now) or a Honda e, and i think BMW is doing pretty good with their EV's....although they're styling direction (fugly grilles aside) seems to be trending the way MB is....making your premium offerings look cheap as hell for some reason. Provide me with an EV where i can basically just swap out the ICE and have the exact same "get in and drive, and not think about anything unless i need to" and I'd be on board. Id prefer to not to adjust my habits because of "fuck you that's why". |
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Tesla's minimalist interior is a nonstarter for me and it's just getting worse (removing stalks from the model 3, the stupid "yoke" steering wheel, etc, moving EVERYTHING to the console. Just yuck.
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Things that make the Tesla special over a Bolt or Leaf has been range, performance, price, Autopilot/FSD, the UI, the glass, the charging network, OTA updates, frunk size, crash rating, Sentry Mode, pet mode, phone/remote entry, remote warming, summon mode, etc. The charging speed and network is superior, but also the UI for charging is significantly better. The UI shows charging stations on your route, shows the number of open/total chargers, shows you local stores, restaurants, entertainment that are near the station, integrates the stop into a destination you already have in progress, and then it will condition the battery, so the car is ready to charge when you get to the chargers, and then when you get there, charging is as simple as removing the plug and sticking it in the port; the port automatically opens and your car automatically charges; there is no need to pull out a credit card because it will use whatever card is on file in your system. To use an Apple phrase: it just works. Even though other companies can use the network now, I don't believe their vehicles have the same UI experience, but that could be coming. There may be a point when a Lexus RZ has Sentry mode, Party Mode and falcon wing doors, but I doubt it.
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The model 3 does have decent features at the price point. I hate the UI. The adaptive cruise is one of the better that I have used though I still don't like it, dog mode is also super nice if you have pets.
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@Irace86.2.0 for what it's worth, the LYRIQ is also a ground up EV, very similar to the Hummer. That said, I suppose it is a more "conventional" vehicle than a technology showpiece.
Most higher end non-Tesla EVs have most if not all the features you mention. The possible exception is dog mode (although you can leave most of them cooling, it just doesn't display it on the screen). I drove a LYRIQ for about 200 miles, and it did all the things you mention with charging along the route, etc. It uses Google Maps for that so pretty much anything you can get on Maps you can get. It also has a couple of other options for routing if you don't like maps. I'm not saying they are all mark for mark equal to Tesla, but a lot of it is there, minus maybe what I consider parlor tricks (summon, party mode, that type of crap) that I don't want in my car. Speaking of Summon, given you can't drive a Tesla hands free when in the vehicle, why would I want to trust it to drive when I'm standing outside of it, and have no other control except cancelling? Just my take on it.
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Do they have Sentry Mode? If seen a few features from other manufactures, but not all features. Someone might have a buggy app with remote heating. Some might have fueling station maps, but the level of execution or the ease of operation is not on the same level. It is good or good enough, but not as crisp. I liken this to Apple having a more refined and integrated approach where apps are optimized more and features are integrated well. Apple does more for updating older models of phones and providing new features too, which is similar to Tesla. The charging network and the charging experience being a huge part of that integration. They are really boosting the competition up by allowing access to their charging network, even if most people will be charging most of the time at home. For many, it would be a deal breaker to not have access to Tesla's charging network.
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