Difficult to heel toe

[philstar]

yeah compared to other cars, I've actually missed the pedal a few times while heel toe-ing and I dont think it has to do with the pedals distance from each other, I think it has to do with how long the gas pedal is.

I heard the JDM pedal is longer? can anyone confirm this? I think that would help with my issue.

[Black Tire]

Originally Posted by NoVtec

Does anyone else find it difficult to heel toe in FRS/BRZ?

I would love to buy something to fix this problem.

Anyone have some recommendations?

Yes, it is difficult to heel-toe in this car. Really this is best done by the left and right side of the ball of the foot. I would like to see a replacement gas pedal that is wider on the left, bringing it closer to the brake pedal. See #3 and #3.5 in my post here:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13139

Its clear from this post that replacement pedals are possible, we just need a wider gas pedal to make things easier:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...ighlight=pedal

For those who think the brake pedal is too high, wait until you get to a long track with heavy braking. The brake pedal will be going much further toward the floor in heavy braking zones. This can be so pronounced that you will need to do your throttle blip as you ease off the brake when the pedal is back up to the level of the gas pedal. Some of this extreme brake pedal travel can be mitigated by better brake lines, fluid, pads, calipers, etc., but in the stock form the pedal will probably go quite far down as things heat up (I haven't been on a long track yet). For me, the height of the brake pedal seemed fine on a short track with mild braking, it was just that the gap to the gas pedal was too far to cover with my small feet.

[rcm47]

Originally Posted by Gen

In all honesty, the gas pedal feels too low to me in comparison to the brake.

Yup. It's hard for me too.

[SEC]

I haven't found this car to be difficult, but a Miata is definitely easier. Drive something from GM and this car will seem much better.

[Hanzo]

Originally Posted by NoVtec

Honestly,
If you think this car is the easiest to heel toe then you sure didn't drive enough cars.
It's not a personal attack btw.
There are plenty, I mean PLENTY of cars that are much easier to heel toe.
ie. Porsche CGT. Honda NSX. S2000. BMW E36. and many older civics.

I was expecting someone would recommend me some after market pedals...
For example, I had Mugen pedals on my Prelude. Perhaps TRD make these??
Any inputs will be much appreciated!

I actually have driven and owned a lot of cars, wrx, EVO, rx7, miatas, m3, m5, m coupe, lotus Elise, 911s, boxters, supra, s2000s, mr2s, mr Spyder, etc.

[mashal]

There is alot of factors with heel and toe'ing.. I had one specific shoe that allows me to heel and toe without any problems and another shoe always slips and gets stuck in between the pedals.
I do what I call the paddle over, This is where my first 3 toes are on the break and I use the very right end of my foot to blip gas, someone else mentioned 11 o'clock, which is kind of the position I use, I prefer this method over heel and toe on this car

[rice_classic]

WHAT!?!?

The position of the pedals for heal-toe is perfect! It's easier then the S2000 and the NSX, but not by much.

Here's the rub. When are you heel-toeing?

Heel-toe, while something you can practice on the street, is not a technique that is needed on the street. Heal-toeing is difficult, or at least more difficult, at slower speeds, light brake application and lower RPM (like turning into your neighborhood) and it's easiest at racetrack speeds where you're pushing on the brake pedal quite hard (at the limit) and your heal needs to rev the engine quite a bit.

So if someone says: "this car is hard to heel-toe" and they're using this technique around town then I'd say... DUH! But if you claim this car is hard to heal-toe at the limit, under hard braking/corner setup (aka: Track) then I'd say, you may want to revisit your technique.


edit: for reference I actually use my toe and heel. I don't roll my foot like many do. Ball of foot on brake, turn-in knee and push down on throttle with heal.

2nd edit: Spelling. I realized my toes didn't need "healing".

[ngabdala]

Do you have racing/driving shoes?

Originally Posted by NoVtec

Does anyone else find it difficult to heel toe in FRS/BRZ?

I would love to buy something to fix this problem.

Anyone have some recommendations?

[Texas BRZ]

Heel-toe downshifts were definitely more positive in my previous car ('11 MX-5)... But I think I'll just have to adapt and practice to be more consistent & smoother at it in this car. Don't know why, but usually the top-side of my foot catches the heel-toe easier in this car. Maybe that's not the best way, but I'm working on it...

Still need some more practice, but I'm sure I'll be able to deal with it when I build that rhythm.

[ngabdala]

Oh and just left foot brake if you still can't figure it out.

[nix]

Wtf left foot brake? You're in the process of a down shift. So you will heel and toe the clutch and brake with your left foot?

[DrifterX]

Originally Posted by nix

Wtf left foot brake? You're in the process of a down shift. So you will heel and toe the clutch and brake with your left foot?

I think it was sarcasm...

[cRazy604]

I find it a lot easier in this car than any other cars I've tried and I'm not really heel toe I'm like toe and right side of my foot LOL

[Hawaiian]

Originally Posted by rice_classic

WHAT!?!?

The position of the pedals for heal-toe is perfect! It's easier then the S2000 and the NSX, but not by much.

Here's the rub. When are you heal-toeing?

Heal-toe, while something you can practice on the street, is not a technique that is needed on the street. Heal-toeing is difficult, or at least more difficult, at slower speeds, light brake application and lower RPM (like turning into your neighborhood) and it's easiest at racetrack speeds where you're pushing on the brake pedal quite hard (at the limit) and your heal needs to rev the engine quite a bit.

So if someone says: "this car is hard to heal-toe" and they're using this technique around town then I'd say... DUH! But if you claim this car is hard to heal-toe at the limit, under hard braking/corner setup (aka: Track) then I'd say, you may want to revisit your technique.


edit: for reference I actually use my toe and heal. I don't roll my foot like many do. Ball of foot on brake, turn-in knee and push down on throttle with heal.

Heel-toe, but other than that, yes.

The brake cut off only occurs if you gas then brake. If you brake first you're fine.