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Originally Posted by chipmunk

Is the transmission the same for 2nd gen? What about clutch & throwout bearing? Is the bearing beefed up for that extra hp & torque?

The trans has a few internal pieces that got beefed up (I think synchros, etc) but it's mostly the same. I actually forgot to ask about the TOB (I upgraded mine a long time ago and it's no longer on my mind).

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Originally Posted by daiheadjai

Always wondered if any of the EverydayDriver folks were on here!
Side note, glad to read your article that Lexus is ditching their silly mouse/trackpad/palmhump interface!

Yeah, I admittedly haven't been here much in the past few years since my car has hit a "done" state for a few years, but been a forum member since 2013!

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Originally Posted by Racecomp Engineering

If the new car is dyno-ing at 195-200 whp according to the engineers, that's pretty darn solid.

Not an expert by any means, but I feel like that means the 228 crank hp might be underrated?

- Andrew

We'll find out in another couple of months I think...

But yeah, if that's the case the actual crank hp (assuming similar mechanical loss in this car as a gen 1) would be another 10-15 or so higher than the 228

OR they didn't want to admit that the peak hp is more like 189 when I said it felt like more than that, hahaha.

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Originally Posted by Th3rdSun

Shit man,I need to hang out with you! I live one town over from where you live.

Wow! Small world!

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Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

You’re doing a great job selling me on this new car btw, especially the comparison to your current e85 setup. Frankly better than any Toyota ad could have done. Thanks for your impressions. I will probably end up trading in my e85 FRS in a few years.

This is why Toyota paid a TON of money to fly me and 84 other journalists to come play in their house for a whole week I guess. The cash they blew feeding me for a week and putting new tires on the LC, supras, etc I ruined just me alone, let alone a whole mess of us - makes me nauseous, but is still way cheaper than a 30 second TV ad I think.

[timurrrr]

Originally Posted by CatDaddysBBQ

The upgrade I mention is pads, not braking system.

Interesting!
Do you remember what exactly they said about the upgraded pads?
Other than pads, the brakes are exactly the same as base '13-'20 brakes?
Did they say anything about Brembos in a year? Pretty please?

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Originally Posted by timurrrr

Interesting!
Do you remember what exactly they said about the upgraded pads?
Other than pads, the brakes are exactly the same as base '13-'20 brakes?
Did they say anything about Brembos in a year? Pretty please?

They didn't say that the new brakes were the same as the old brakes. I would guess/assume they are but I don't know.

They just said the braking system was the same in both new trim levels, and there were upgraded pads (not sure if standard on premium trim or just an available accessory like the TRD pads before).

So TL,DR I don't know. My gut tells me it's the same setup as current non-brembo cars and the upgraded pads are akin to the current TRD ones.

And they have not mentioned brembo package - but they did mention that there's "good stuff coming".

I amused myself fishing for reactions - Like I would ask a question and just watch their faces as they responded. Sometimes you could tell they weren't allowed to confirm/deny stuff you asked but their face would give away that they were keeping something quiet.

Like I noticed that the trunk had a seam across it - so basically the top rear (lip area) is technically a different part than the rest of the trunk. I just said, well, this means you can offer various lip/spoiler/wing options and they can be interchangeable without leaving holes if somebody removes or swaps...

The guy looks at me holding back a shit-eating grin and just says "that's um.... very possible." and smirks a bit.

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Originally Posted by Dzmitry

Compression should remain the same at 12.5:1 according to Toyota. In the end, we will see which one is correct, but 13.5:1 sounds a bit too good to be true and should theoretically make a good bit more power than that.

I can't imagine that Subaru and Toyota have different specs for the engine, since Subie said it was 13.5:1.

Originally Posted by Ernest72

Do you have the mod bug? Could you actually keep something stock. I bought both my subarus new and modded them. This is the most expensive because I took all the depreciation. But subies are not that expensive, relatively. If I had to do it over I might have bought the BRZ used and modded it and I would certainly have spent far less. Especially since it’s my daily and will see many miles.

I personally don’t think the 22 will be an earth-shattering difference. But if you are at the time to buy go for it. I would wait for a used one ideally. When they come around I will try to drive one and see. Driving one could sway you one way or the other. I have sat in cars hgud I need this, and I have sat in cars and felt meh.

I don't think it will be earth shattering either, but it will be a nice upgrade over the 1st gen.

If I do end up getting one, I'll likely do the same basic mods I did when I had my '15 BRZ. Cat-back, coilovers, wheels/tires, E85 tune.

[Dzmitry]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

I can't imagine that Subaru and Toyota have different specs for the engine, since Subie said it was 13.5:1.

Yes, they will absolutely not be different. Subaru claimed it to be 13.5:1 on their ads upon release. But Toyota made an official claim of 12.5:1 on their release. I would very highly bet against 13.5:1.

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by Dzmitry

Yes, they will absolutely not be different. Subaru claimed it to be 13.5:1 on their ads upon release. But Toyota made an official claim of 12.5:1 on their release. I would very highly bet against 13.5:1.

Why? The ND2 Miata is 13:1 and the Skyactiv engines are 14:1.

Modern ECU controls and DI have allowed dramatically increased compression and efficiency.

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

Why? The ND2 Miata is 13:1 and the Skyactiv engines are 14:1.

Modern ECU controls and DI have allowed dramatically increased compression and efficiency.

Because if it went up from the FA20 it would be making more than 228hp. The hp/l went down, not up.

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

Because if it went up from the FA20 it would be making more than 228hp. The hp/l went down, not up.

That is pure speculation on your point. Are there different emissions/particulate matter targets for passenger vehicle engines vs 10+ years ago when the BRZ/FR-S engine was originally certified? They are, but I'm not going to search through EPA docs to see exactly what changed.

You can if you want:
https://www.epa.gov/regulations-emis...greenhouse-gas


Increasing compression is one way to gain back lost power, because of increased efficiency, from tighter emissions regs. The downside is higher NOx emissions because of hotter combustion temps.

[Dzmitry]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

Why? The ND2 Miata is 13:1 and the Skyactiv engines are 14:1.

Modern ECU controls and DI have allowed dramatically increased compression and efficiency.

If you think they're running two different engine CR's for the same model car with a different badge that's a low selling and low cost vehicle, you're dreaming. There's a massive difference between what you're referencing and the twins. Skyactiv engines are in MOST if not all of the lineup of Mazda's that sell by significantly bigger quantities.

Not at all saying it can't be done, as it probably somewhat easily could have been done. What I am saying, is that the twins are the same vehicle (and for both, the engine is made by Subaru) - they are not going to differentiate them with a different compression ratio.

Now if it is a question of whether 12.5:1 or 13.5:1 is the correct CR, I simply believe 12.5:1 is far more likely. There are already enough twins with problems blowing up on the road, though majority are reliable. This is a sports car with a fairly good redline, 13.5:1 would bring more complications to keeping it reliable. It is much simpler for them to give us a 2.4L and up the power in a more reliable manner than to also tune the engine way up to extend the peak. Also, if you look at some calculators, a CR of 13.5 with a redline like ours should easily bring up power in the 250HP range. 228/231 is a good bit lower than the current gen even, which has a higher HP/L ratio.

EDIT: Also, here are Subaru Japanese specifications: 12.5:1 CR
https://www.media.subaru-global.com/ja/news/3083

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by Dzmitry

If you think they're running two different engine CR's for the same model car with a different badge that's a low selling and low cost vehicle, you're dreaming. There's a massive difference between what you're referencing and the twins. Skyactiv engines are in MOST if not all of the lineup of Mazda's that sell by significantly bigger quantities.

Not at all saying it can't be done, as it probably somewhat easily could have been done. What I am saying, is that the twins are the same vehicle (and for both, the engine is made by Subaru) - they are not going to differentiate them with a different compression ratio.

Now if it is a question of whether 12.5:1 or 13.5:1 is the correct CR, I simply believe 12.5:1 is far more likely. There are already enough twins with problems blowing up on the road, though majority are reliable. This is a sports car with a fairly good redline, 13.5:1 would bring more complications to keeping it reliable. It is much simpler for them to give us a 2.4L and up the power in a more reliable manner than to also tune the engine way up to extend the peak. Also, if you look at some calculators, a CR of 13.5 with a redline like ours should easily bring up power in the 250HP range. 228/231 is a good bit lower than the current gen even, which has a higher HP/L ratio.

EDIT: Also, here are Subaru Japanese specifications: 12.5:1 CR
https://www.media.subaru-global.com/ja/news/3083

Thanks for the link. I guess their initial release was just a typo.