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03-10-2021, 09:26 PM | #15 | |
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For general glue sure but the specific glue I used is intended for automotive panel bonding, it's also an elastomer and considering the name 'sikaFLEX' I believe it'll account for those vibrations
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I know when I took my stock wing off whatever adhesive tape had been used by OEM had lost almost all of its adhesion and it was really only the bolts that was keeping the wing in place. Also I'm fairly sure OEM addons like spoilers are designed to be removeable which is why they wouldn't use glue since it's more permanent |
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That being said I didn't used that unbranded stuff I went and bought the actual sikaflex |
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It's an automotive elastomer and has rated service temperatures within -50 to 90 C. Also I don't live in an area with extreme weather climates, eg doesn't snow
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I agree that general purpose glues aren't going to work well but what I used is the same as what others have used and had no problems even when tracking the car. The main adhesives i've seen people use is Sikaflex, Tigerseal and 3M Urethane windshield adhesive.
Idk what's with all the tape responses, I just wanted experiences from others who glued theirs too. I'm not the only person who has done this, I only decided to use this stuff over 3m because searching online, a large consensus was that for duckbill spoilers, adhesives like sikaflex is the best for mostly permanent fittings- and I saw more than 1 comment from people saying they used 3m and after a year or two their spoiler fell off. The reason people choose to use these kind of adhesives is because it gives the cleanest possible fitment Last edited by Sam86; 03-11-2021 at 12:48 AM. |
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I agree with what you're saying however in my case I didn't use a random off the shelf glue (assuming you're referring to what I used) I believe it is an primarily an industrial glue, they just also supply it commercially. I researched what others used and the most common adhesive I saw others use was Sikaflex which is what I got. It states that it bonds with paint coatings and other general bodyshop materials. It didn't state I had to do any paint removal/ sanding. Here's a product link to the exact adhesive I used https://industry.sika.com/en/home/au...aflex-227.html Last edited by Sam86; 03-11-2021 at 12:56 AM. |
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So @Sam86 if you didn't like the information everyone here provided, what was the answer you were wanting to hear? Lots of great information was given on why it might not be a great idea to glue it down and what the alternatives would be.
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How do you know the guys that had a spoiler fall off prepped it properly, or did not get knock off 3m tape which I see quite a bit of. I also notice a lot of the adhesive tape backed parts do not come with adhesion promotor which I would highly recommend. https://www.amazon.com/3M-4298-Adhes.../dp/B004TGJU2A
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I never asked for opinions on whether glue is better than 3m I asked for the the EXPERIENCES of people who GLUED to share how well it held up. Why would I be asking for alternative recommendations when I already stated that I had attached the wing to my car and it was currently curing? And with what you said earlier, do you have any examples of OEM manufacturers that use ONLY 3m to attach a factory spoiler? That means no bolts in conjunction with the 3m. I’m actually genuinely curious of that Sorry if I’m taking out on you but it’s annoying that nobody commenting even read my OP let alone title as nowhere in my OP did I ask for recommendations on what to use or ask whether glue is better than 3m. Yes for most people 3M is probably a more ideal choice since it’s reversible however I wanted something permanent that I didn’t have to worry about. As far as I’m concerned 3m + bolting down is the best way to go, however WITHOUT Bolts I didn’t feel like 3m would last as long as adhesive sealant. And when I talk longterm I’m talking 4-5+ years not a few months to one year All I was asking for was for others who did the same as me to tell me how theirs held up and whether I did it right IE applied the adhesive correctly Last edited by Sam86; 03-11-2021 at 07:11 PM. |
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I understand a bit better what you're saying, just understand the resistance you're experiencing is because its rather uncommon to do it that way. Asking for validation of uncommon practices on the internet when there's well established methods will always be met with scrutiny, so no surprises there... Ultimately if it works well then its another tool in our collective belt, but not enough existing experience to validate it outright. My only question for that product is that its listed/marketed as a sealant, not an adhesive. Sealants can bond extremely well to substrates, but can suffer from cohesive failure (the material itself tears apart but its still bonded to each substrate) more easily than structural-rated adhesives. Structures are loaded in tensile (pulling), Shear (sliding), and peeling (like pulling tape). Sealants don't typically have high peel strength (hell some adhesive's don't either) and that is the type of loading that a wing/lip/duckbill will see around the edges, mixed with some tensile strength as the front edge wants to be pulled up. Silkaflex 227's 'tear propogation resistance" sounds a lot like peel strength... 6N is only 1.35lbs of force, which isn't a lot, so that's my only concern. Once it's completely cured keep a close eye on the front edge and corners for any cracking/tearing. If you see nothing after months of use at highway/track speeds and hot sun heat cycling, then I'd say you're golden and just check it periodically. |
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In regards to its adhesive properties, to quote what is says on the back of the tube it is "suitable for making permanent elastic seals of high adhesive strength". Its been 10 days now, certainly not long enough to be certain but its been both hot, cold and rainy in that time. I daily drive the car, open and close the boot regularly and so far it has held up. The main test was when I had my car polished yesterday in hot weather. I didn't tell the guy my spoiler was glued on and he spent a fair bit of time and used a fair bit of force when polishing and drying it which didn't cause it to budge. (And he definitely wasn't being gentle as he broke one of my fuel cap clips from using too much force). If I wiggle the spoiler or use a bit of force on it, it doesn't budge or feel like it's going to come off. If anything the spoiler itself feels like it would snap since it's just hollow ABS plastic |
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Sounds like you're good to go.
We won't be able to tell you the long-term, only time will tell. |
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