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Old 06-21-2012, 09:18 PM   #23
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I just peed a little....again.

Could someone chop these pics to DGM?
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Old 06-24-2012, 11:29 AM   #24
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So from the looks of the sizing chart, I'm guessing a custom order PCD was required for the rear wheels to come in that width/offset.
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Old 06-24-2012, 12:55 PM   #25
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Whether the car understeers or not depends on what sort of tires you go for. If you over tire the rear of the car too much it will not only make you slower in a straight line but the extra grip at the rear will tend to cause the car to understeer if the front is not balanced out with equal amounts of grip. The best way to do this is with your wheel alingment - more negative camber at the front basically. Some people like to run toe out on the front to induce turn in but ive never been a fan of that. It messes with the feel of the steering.
Bit of an oversimplification there. The OP's question was whether a staggered setup would induce additional understeer. The clear answer would be yes, due to the higher amount of grip at the rear of the car.

Could you tune the chassis to re-balance the car after adding wider rear tires? Using a combination of springs/dampers, sway bars and aggressive alignment settings you probably could, but that would involve a whole lot of work just to fix something that was intentionally 'broken' in the name of aesthetics.

If you have an abundance of power to break the rears loose and need wide rubber to contain them that's one thing but there's a reason that the hardcore track S2K and Miata guys tend to favour square setups.

Having said that, nobody's proven things one way or another through actual testing on these cars yet.


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Old 06-24-2012, 06:54 PM   #26
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Bit of an oversimplification there. The OP's question was whether a staggered setup would induce additional understeer. The clear answer would be yes, due to the higher amount of grip at the rear of the car.

Could you tune the chassis to re-balance the car after adding wider rear tires? Using a combination of springs/dampers, sway bars and aggressive alignment settings you probably could, but that would involve a whole lot of work just to fix something that was intentionally 'broken' in the name of aesthetics.

If you have an abundance of power to break the rears loose and need wide rubber to contain them that's one thing but there's a reason that the hardcore track S2K and Miata guys tend to favour square setups.

Having said that, nobody's proven things one way or another through actual testing on these cars yet.


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Thanks for posting pretty much the same thing but in different words. i'm sure the OP gets it now.
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Old 06-24-2012, 09:59 PM   #27
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It doesn't look like +38 all around, the rears look to be less with its concavity
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Old 06-25-2012, 12:35 PM   #28
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Thanks for posting pretty much the same thing but in different words. i'm sure the OP gets it now.
Same team. :happy0180:

The staggered setup looks undoubtedly hot.
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So, there is a lot of talk about staggered set ups creating understeer.

There are a lot of cars that are sold new with a staggered set up so surely this can tuned out with appropriate suspension work?

I really like the staggered look but my brz will be used on track quite a lot so its definititely function > form for me.

Any peeps got some guidance in this area? Thanks
Get 2 sets of rims, one for track, one for swag


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It doesn't look like +38 all around, the rears look to be less with its concavity
Work offers the CR Kiwami in +38 for both semi concave and deep concave.

It's on their website:
http://www.workwheelsusa.com/media/w...Kai%20Spec.pdf

however the bolt pattern is custom. but I suspect with the popularity of the twins it will be stardard
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Work offers the CR Kiwami in +38 for both semi concave and deep concave.

It's on their website:
http://www.workwheelsusa.com/media/w...Kai%20Spec.pdf

however the bolt pattern is custom. but I suspect with the popularity of the twins it will be stardard
Ah. Thanks for the info, I wonder how it would look w a deep concave face all around and same width.
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Bit of an oversimplification there. The OP's question was whether a staggered setup would induce additional understeer. The clear answer would be yes, due to the higher amount of grip at the rear of the car.

Could you tune the chassis to re-balance the car after adding wider rear tires? Using a combination of springs/dampers, sway bars and aggressive alignment settings you probably could, but that would involve a whole lot of work just to fix something that was intentionally 'broken' in the name of aesthetics.

If you have an abundance of power to break the rears loose and need wide rubber to contain them that's one thing but there's a reason that the hardcore track S2K and Miata guys tend to favour square setups.

Having said that, nobody's proven things one way or another through actual testing on these cars yet.


Just my 2c.
well said
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Old 06-28-2012, 05:31 PM   #32
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Wasn't staggered a bad choice to do, unless you sacrifice handling?

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Old 06-28-2012, 05:43 PM   #33
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It doesn't look like +38 all around, the rears look to be less with its concavity
Different widths.

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Old 06-28-2012, 09:27 PM   #34
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Ah. Thanks for the info, I wonder how it would look w a deep concave face all around and same width.
I have 9.5 +38 all round on order so i can let you know in a few months! The blue 86 has 9.5 +30 all round and there are photos floating around here somewhere...
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18x9.5 +38 all around are easier fits in the front. The only concern are the wheels hitting the coil over system.

Thus some people go with 18x9.5 +30, which stick out 8mm more than the 38mm but has much more clearance for coil over system.
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Old 06-29-2012, 01:10 PM   #36
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can the deep concave CR Ultimate's be ordered in a 5X100 PCD??
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yes, 18x9.5 +38 or 18x9.5 +30
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Old 06-29-2012, 03:11 PM   #38
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How much do these rims weigh in at compared to the stock?
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22.8 lbs for the 18x9.5 spec



21.9 Lbs for the 18x8.5 spec

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Anyone know if there was any fender rolling for this setup??
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Anyone know if there was any fender rolling for this setup??
No fender rolling, but need coil over.
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Another member with this same wheel setup:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13133




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Nearly identical setup here:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10436

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18x8.5 +47 225/40/18 Toyo T1R
18x9.5 +38 245/35/18 Toyo T1R


1 Inch drop

Back poking out about 1/2 - 1 inch didnt really measure it




+47 in the front is pretty flush. I think +38 will poke out like the rear




Riding on 18s I notice the car seems a bit more sluggish during take off. I was worried about understeer with the staggered fitment but the handling does not seem to have been affected much other than having way more grip. I dont notice any understeer but this is just my daily driver and I'm not a track nut/expert

Hope this helps anyone trying to decide on offsets.
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Another nearly identical setup here:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14438

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Here are some Emotion CR Ultimates in Matte Black
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Front; 18x8.5 +47 Offset W/ Goodrich Sportcomp 2 235/40
Rear; 18x9.5 +39 Offset W/ ^ 245/40





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