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I think the Grand Sport is usually considered the best balance of price/performance/streetability. With the C8 though, I'm thinking that may slide down to the Z model.
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The previous gen corvettes used transaxles. That's an incredibly limited packaging option yet they still sold manuals through out the previous gens. Almost all transmissions have the same guts by X,Y, or Z supplier. Only the casings or mounting points and ecu logic is different. The software is usually tuned in partnership between the transmission manufacturer and the vehicle manufacturer with the vehicle manufacturers taking the brunt of the work. Business cases aren't the be all end all of production, this holds true especially with Sports cars/Halo cars and super cars. If a manual was feasible for packaging or the performance target, you can bet your ass it would be there. Edit: Also that 15% is for the Z06 only, if you look at overall production even for last year which was the shortest production number that jumps to about 28%. 2017 was about the same with 28% https://www.corvettemuseum.org/wp-co...HWC-UPDATE.pdf https://www.corvsport.com/wp-content...-End-Stats.pdf Last edited by RayRay88; 07-25-2019 at 12:25 PM. |
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https://www.bmwblog.com/2019/01/14/p...s-were-manual/ The problem is that there isn’t enough people who will jump brands to get a manual. I would probably be the exception. If there was enough people, and especially if people were willing to pay a premium for the manual, then they would totally justify making one for the life of the generation and for future generations just to keep customers. The problem is this doesn’t happen, so there is no fear to drop the manual. The other confounding variable is electrification taking over, so the investment may only work for a generation. Like I said, I will be sticking with a manual for as long as possible. A used 2020 911 is at the top of my list for a future car in the long term with a used 2014 Cayman in the short term. As exciting and great value as the C8 is, I don’t care enough about the performance deference to consider it over a manual. Give me a $35k car that was mid engine with a manual and 300hp, and I would be good.
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In regards to the shifter cables, the center tunnel on the new C8 is jam packed with cooling hoses and wiring. It seems they decided in the design brief that this car would not be manual, ever. Talks about the packaging under the skin here: https://www.topspeed.com/cars/here-s..._lWSdz6Z4Nuyr4 |
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I don't think Chevrolet was trying to reinvent the Fiero. The cars they're attempting to chase down ditched manual transmissions years ago. No one is cross shopping an F12 and a Miata. |
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So for the 2019 car,,, Z51 is almost $5K, 2LT is $4.5K, 3LT $9.7K Here is the breakdown.... http://macmulkincorvette.com/wp-cont...-Chevrolet.pdf I'm hoping the Z51 on the C8 will be a little cheaper as it already has the dry sump motor,,,, but maybe not. It's a shame you cant get the different color interiors without stepping above the 1LT.
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Ah you're right, I'm thinking the Hydramatic and later on the 10 speed. In any case, take rate was higher at the start of the C7 program than at the start of the C8. At the end of the day, no one wanted to bid on the C8's manual transmission, Tremec included. That should be pretty telling.
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